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Edited by gidjit
03/23/2020 6:41 pm
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Do you have photos of the rest of the lettering? Or does it only occur in those spots? Given that its isolated I would like to say doubled die, also given that the serifs are split, but I'm no expert. However given that it inst listen in a catalogue somewhere also contradicts that. Better photos are a must.
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Edited by river4449
03/23/2020 6:50 pm
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I have found a few of this kind with doubling noticeable only on the VICT of Victoria. I call them Double Die. I keep them separate from the Doubling Around The Clock ones. As for scarcity I'm not sure. The doubling is easily missed by the naked eye on these ones....I'm still finding them in the wild. Nice Coin!
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There are a number of coins/dies similar to yours for 1881. This was a time of great changes happening at the mint. They were changing/repunching dies to modify the 1876 Obv 1 ones on the shelf with single serif N's. The Obv 1a Obverse was starting to be put into use ... and there was some Machine/mechanical doubling going on with hub=doubling seen and repunching of some letters. We could have put in another 3-4 examples of other 1881 DDO's in the 2011 Charlton, but were restricted in space (80 pages). We already had 9 different 1881's listed and really couldn't put in any more. The 1881's and '82's are chuck-full of varieties that were talked about on the old CCRS site, but much of that information was removed and no longer archived there. Most of us major variety collectors removed all of our posts from there, valuable information disappeared.... I think over 20,000 posts were removed when we all left there. You have a fairly scarce coin, but there are other '81's that are scarcer. |
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Gidjit, excluding the wrong font around the clock (ATC) variety, there are 5 different Obv. 1 ATC varieties that present in VICTORIA exactly as you have photographed. The I/I is and I over broken I (right bottom serif) and the C is a C over broken C. They all have these markers. Some are offset a bit more then others.
Now that we have narrowed it down to 5 choices, the other clue in your obverse pic is the very light die cracking across the top of VICTORIA. I'm not sure if your coin is high enough grade to look for the markers, but I believe you should see the following unique identifiers.
Doubling in GRATIA, most evident in the bottom serifs of the AT
N/N in REGINA, evident in the diagonal, bump on upper right serif, recut entire right stand
N/N in CANADA, evident in the diagonal, right stand and upper right serif
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BTW folks, the "Dan" above is also one of the co-authors of the 2011 (65th edition) of Charlton where the Vicky large cent varieties were partially listed. Take what he says to the bank. We tried to get as much out there info-wise that we could to show some of the "possibilities" that were possible for any date. Dan's just getting back into the fray after a fews years of hiatus, but he never lost spark.
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Gidjit, this may be the same die as yours. Wish I had a higher grade example to photograph.   It could also be this die if there is more pronounced doubling. There appears to be a similar die crack between the V and I.  Edited by Phil310
03/24/2020 11:04 am
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Phil310, that is one of the group of 5 but a different one. The offset in VICTORIA is minimal but there.
Look for a die crack across the top of DEI, and another at the G in REGINA.
Markers if your coin has enough grade left are:
R/R/R in VICTORIA showing on right serifs both upper and lower
N/N in CANADA showing on both upper serifs
N in REGINA thick bottom left stand and foot, recut right stand at bottom
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Phil310, your second coin is the same as Gidgit's. Very nice coin btw.
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Thanks Dan! I knew you would know which of the two it was.
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