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1856 Florin Fake? Grade?

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I've no expert but I agree it doesn't look right - the extreme flatness in some parts of the design but not others seems off.
I think Peter Davies' book on British Silver Coins is the most up to date and comprehensive reference but I'd be interested in anything more recent.
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Simple test you can do at home:
Comparative ping tone test against another known to be genuine Gothic Florin.
Need to go to a coin dealer if you haven't got another Gothic Florin, to do the test.

Accurate weight needs to be found, to nearest 1/100th of a gram. A coin dealer or a pharmacist may be able to help you.
XRF test. Need to go to a bullion dealer or scrap gold jewelry buyer for that. They may charge a fee.

From the pictures the coin seems to have a 'pasty' appearance suggesting a pressure cast fake. Fancy rim border above Queen's head is suspiciously weak. The cross on top of the orb on top of the crown is very badly out of shape.
These coins tend to have some value in this grade, so the temptation for the dishonest is there.
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 Posted 04/10/2020  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CalzoneManiac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Typical Chinese fake.
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"I think Peter Davies' book on British Silver Coins is the most up to date and comprehensive reference but I'd be interested in anything more recent."

I think the 2015 edition of "English Silver Coinage" (ESC for short) is more up to date. This is the sixth edition updated by Maurice Bull and published by Spink. Readily available through Amazon.
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There is a 7th edition of Maurice Bull's book coming out at the end of August. Might be worth waiting for it.
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Oh thanks - I do have the 6th edition I think but didn't look too closely at it as the edition before that at least covered much fewer varieties than Peter Davies' book.
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Reviving thread to throw some info. Got my hand on better scales and neodymium magnet. Magnet seems to be sticking a bit to the coin, weight is 11.10 gram. Not related question, do all crowns have same thickness? Checked weight of 1935 crown I got in one of the lots and is off by 6 grams and seems to be thinner than rest of crowns I have. Another fake it seems #9785;#65039;
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