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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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My book lists Victoria Florins as 28mm but Gothic Florins as 30mm its an old book (from 1988!) but the information is usually good on varieties...
It claims that on 1853, 1856 no dot after the date is very rare and that on 1858,1859 no dot after date is merely rare, 1865 and 1866 can have a colon after the date and it lists various date overs and an extra t in brit: and differring numbers of arc on some years.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Which book are you using? I think maybe an update is in order! Neither Spink nor the current Coin Yearbook mention your dots, although the number of arcs and the britt variations are listed. The colon after 65 and 66 is not mentioned either, but I know exist as I have one at the moment. Checking on ebay ALL the 1856 florins I can see have no dot, so maybe your book got them the wrong way round? |
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New Member
 Ireland
30 Posts |
Would ice cube test be a valid way to confirm it is silver? Don't have neodymium magnet nor where to buy in current situation.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
945 Posts |
Neodymium magnets can be ordered online very cheaply - I got 20 for £1.99 I think - I always keep one with me when I am out coin hunting.
On the 1856 varieties, I posted the question on another forum where there are many GB silver specialists and got this answer back:
"1853 dot after date (d-a-d) is R3 and no dot is common.
1856 there is only a no dot.
1858 ditto
1859 d-a-d is normal, and no dot R
1865 has both no stop 2 varieties one R4 and the other S and colon which is R2 and no d-a-d.
1866 no dot is R, colon is R3, no d-a-d."
So it seems no dot for the 1856 is the only option - other dates get more complicated!
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2624 Posts |
Well it seems like it did get it wrong then.
I have a modern Spinks book but I tend to use an old "richards pocket reference" to look up mintages and which years coins were produced because its layout is convenient and it lists variants to look out for.
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Pillar of the Community
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It still looks "Wrong" in my opinion.
Still going with it being a fake, possibly Chinese
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Valued Member
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This is absolutely a counterfeit. The wear patterns are wrong, the tone is wrong, the style of the portrait is abysmal. From the graininess off of her face, as did @Princetane, I'd say its one of the Chinese cast fakes that have flooded the market in the last 20 years. Recently, there have even been more sophisticated die struck counterfeits coming to market.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1962 Posts |
Varieties? Magnets? ICE CUBES?!! Quote:
Just looks and oozes fake." Quote:
"This is absolutely a counterfeit." Anyone who does NOT see this IMMEDIATELY is woefully underinformed. That is not meant to be insulting - it's just truth. |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I've no expert but I agree it doesn't look right - the extreme flatness in some parts of the design but not others seems off.
I think Peter Davies' book on British Silver Coins is the most up to date and comprehensive reference but I'd be interested in anything more recent.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Simple test you can do at home:
Comparative ping tone test against another known to be genuine Gothic Florin.
Need to go to a coin dealer if you haven't got another Gothic Florin, to do the test.
Accurate weight needs to be found, to nearest 1/100th of a gram. A coin dealer or a pharmacist may be able to help you.
XRF test. Need to go to a bullion dealer or scrap gold jewelry buyer for that. They may charge a fee.
From the pictures the coin seems to have a 'pasty' appearance suggesting a pressure cast fake. Fancy rim border above Queen's head is suspiciously weak. The cross on top of the orb on top of the crown is very badly out of shape.
These coins tend to have some value in this grade, so the temptation for the dishonest is there.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
945 Posts |
" I think Peter Davies' book on British Silver Coins is the most up to date and comprehensive reference but I'd be interested in anything more recent." I think the 2015 edition of "English Silver Coinage" (ESC for short) is more up to date. This is the sixth edition updated by Maurice Bull and published by Spink. Readily available through Amazon. |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
709 Posts |
There is a 7th edition of Maurice Bull's book coming out at the end of August. Might be worth waiting for it.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
2180 Posts |
Oh thanks - I do have the 6th edition I think but didn't look too closely at it as the edition before that at least covered much fewer varieties than Peter Davies' book.
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New Member
Ireland
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Reviving thread to throw some info. Got my hand on better scales and neodymium magnet. Magnet seems to be sticking a bit to the coin, weight is 11.10 gram. Not related question, do all crowns have same thickness? Checked weight of 1935 crown I got in one of the lots and is off by 6 grams and seems to be thinner than rest of crowns I have. Another fake it seems #9785;#65039;
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