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Advice For Getting Started In World Coins?

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 Posted 10/30/2008  11:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Curio Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Anyone here have any advice for a newbie who is interested in getting started in World coins? I would particularly like to get a sample specimen of a Spanish 8 Reales Pillar dollar, an Austrian Thaler & some silver British coins, but I know NOTHING about them. What should I look for?
What should I watch out for?
How much should I expect to spend for these "type" coins? and
What books should I get BEFORE I start buying?

Many Thanks, Bill.
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 Posted 10/31/2008  01:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add roots to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The standard world coin is 2009 Standard Catalog of® World Coins 1901-2000 published by Krause. This series of publications is seperated by centuries. There is also a British coin catalog issued by Spink. I suggest buying books and buying from reputable dealers first, there are too many fakes out there.
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 Posted 10/31/2008  04:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
World coin collecting is an exciting, rewarding and often economical section of the hobby. Welcome! To answer your questions in reverse order...

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What books should I get BEFORE I start buying?

"First the book, then the coins" is always an excellent philosophy with this hobby. I would second what roots said about the Krause catalogues; if you were going after the coins of just one or two countries, I'd recommend getting the specialist books for those countries (eg. Spink for British, Schon for German, Renniks for Australian, etc) but it rather sounds to me like you want to "collect them all". So the Krauses are the way to go. It also comes in DVD format, which is much cheaper. They also have online database access at Numismaster - you need to register to look at their database, and pay subscriptions if you want mintages and catalogue values. Personally, I find the books the best.

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How much should I expect to spend for these "type" coins?

"Spanish pillar dollars" are fairly cheap and readily available, especially in America; a worn, battered example could be bought for bullion value, a nicer example can cost up to $200 or more.

"Austrian thaler" is a little vague; Austria has issued thalers for several hundred years. If you're referring to the joachimsthaler, the 16th century precursor to the dollar, these typically sell for at least several hundred dollars (the one in the link sold for several thousand). At the other extreme, restrike Maria Theresa thalers can be bought for bullion value.

"British silver coins" is also somewhat vague; silver coins in Britain go all the way back to before the Roman invasion. Mediaeval hammered silver pennies are a popular (though somewhat pricey) series, while the silver coinage of Victorian times has to be amongst the most beautiful and artistically elaborate of all modern coinage. I'd strongly suggest buying or borrowing a copy of Spink or another specialist British catalogue (the Krause catalogues only go back to 1601) to see for yourself the immense variety possible in collecting British silver coins.

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What should I look for? What should I watch out for?

That depends entirely on (a) what you want to collect, and (b) how much you're prepared to spend. It also depends to some extent on what your "local conditions" are like. If you happen to live in a big city with dozens of world coin dealers within easy transport range, you can shop around, compare prices, and build a good dealer-customer relationship with the best ones. If you're out in the boondocks, you're pretty much limited to Internet shopping, with all the pros and cons that entails.

As far as fakes are concerned, this also depends on what you're collecting. Spanish silver dollars are certainly a very popular coin for counterfeiters, and have been ever since they were made; we've even got some forum members who collect them and have become quite expert at spotting them. I'd only buy a Spanish dollar (especially a pricier one) from a dealer that was very familiar with this series. British coins, on the other hand, are much less commonly faked.

If you have any other questions about world coins, or particular coins or dealers that are of interest to you, please ask right here on the forum.
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Curio Bill,

As always you are getting some great advice so I can only add a little.

Take your time and thumb through the books as the coins aren't going anywhere fast. By thumbing through the books you'll get an idea of what or how you'd like to approach your collection.

You can ask yourself is a time period important (1800's 1900s, etc...), maybe it's by country or design, maybe it's large silver coins (1/2 dollar or larger size and is investment value/growth a concern?

Patience and a plan is the game here. By buying randomly it may not fit your collecting style later on so you just spent $$ on a coin that could have been spent on one you really want later. A good understanding of what is available is important.

Good Luck
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Many Thanks for the detailed responses, Bill
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One other point is to make sure you use the knowledge on this forum. There is at least one expert on just about every type of coin here.

If for example you are contemplating a purchase online, copy a picture if possible and post it on the forum and you will soon get a good consensus of opinion as to the coins validity, grade and value.

Good luck and welcome!
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 Posted 10/31/2008  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a great deal on the Krause world coins books:
http://www.exactchange.info/Krause.htm

The books have been converted into .pdf (Adobe Acrobat reader required, free download) and come on three DVDs, for $25. You can barely get the 2001-present book for that. I loaded the books onto my hard drive and I think that it's faster looking things up this way than it is thumbing through a big phone-book sized catalog, and you can enlarge the images which can be a big help.
you can also print off pages (or the whole thing...if you really feel strongly about it) that are the ones you need.

As you've probably already heard on here, the prices Krause assigns are usually off, sometimes quite a bit, so don't place a lot of faith in the "book value". Market value is best gleaned from auction prices realized.

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Spend all your free time reading about coins and looking at coins online. Before work, during lunch, after work, at stop lights while you are commuting, while your wife is talking, etc. Well maybe not while your wife is talking that will get you into trouble.
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Yeah, I tried the whole while the wife was talking thing
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There has been some advice offered here, so I do not have much more to offer. Personally, I spent many hours flipping through an older 1801-present version of the Krause catalogue. You might be able to find one at your local library. That might help you figure out where to start. For the 8 reales pillar dollar, I would recommend either buying from a reputable dealer, or buying a certified example (from one of the big grading companies - PCGS, NGC, ANACS, or ICG). As mentioned earlier, this is a heavily counterfeited coin and sometimes a good deal on ebay for a raw example might be too good to be true.


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