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Is Their A Real Difference Between A Graded 68 And A 70 Banknote ?

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 Posted 04/11/2020  6:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add crok to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I know some people are obsessive and others compete for major competitive collections , but is their a real difference between a graded 68 or 70 ?

I only buy graded banknotes firstly since they are already protected and to avoid any issues over the quality of the currency.

My type set is just one banknote from each country to start with or if I see a beautiful bill I will try and get that also.

i would love to buy the gold and silver / colorized novelty banknotes. But I know in the future there ill just become insanely oversupplied and never have a real value. Plus I am concerned over time what ill the colors do? come off ?

Currently my focus is world / beautiful bank notes in 68 or higher grade , aiming mainly at last century instead of all these new generation recent polymers.

Does anyone think such a focus would take a hobby collection over time into a true investment financially ?

After all these will all be common banknotes but in high grades ?

thanks in advance and Regards...

Do you think it is better to focus on lower denominations as they are less likely to be graded ? or higher denominations since they are harder / scarcer to get ?
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04/11/2020 6:08 pm
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@crok, can you tell the difference between 68 and 70? If you cannot, or the difference is not important to you, then don't waste your money on the 70s. Only you can decide what is important to you.


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Does anyone think such a focus would take a hobby collection over time into a true investment financially ?


I would not look at anything we collect, banknotes or coins, as an investment. I assume that anything I buy is pure entertainment. However, since you buy good quality material that is not very recent, it has a better chance at keeping its value or rising.
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In truth I am not a hoarder, but I never sell = almost never sell things I buy into collections. The aim of this is an inheritance for my family in the future.

I can easily see lower grade like 64 to 66 notes are while nice are just inferior. As you said this is hobby time entertainment and I like looking at my banknotes.

I do not have a 70 currency but I cannot see any difference between a 69 and my others at grade 68.

I am just wondering what a true difference might be between a 68 and a 70 especially once it is in a PCGS pmg mylar holder.

I mean could 99% of amateur collectors even tell the difference ?
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I can easily see lower grade like 64 to 66 notes are while nice are just inferior.


- I have only seen some disparities/variations with Legacy, PCGS, (other oddball graders) & sometimes with PMG. Graders are human, & as such, will be subjective in their assessments. Some will probably have a strict/stringent set of guidelines (& use their light-box to search for the smallest imperfections) while others must be squinting & doing a liberal fast scan ignoring a note's deficiencies. I have seen quite a few off-centred (esp US) notes graded by PCGS which were given Gem (65 or 66) grades. It makes no sense to me to pay hundreds of dollars difference for 1-2 points (or a star).

The bottom line for me is I am buying the note (not the holder). Yes, I want high grade, but that's not my primary objective/focus in assembling an admirable collection.

Since I have seen several PMG66 that look like 67 or 68 it is not worth my time to obsess over why one is 66 the other 67. And generally speaking I rarely detect much difference between a note with a star (or 1 without). I have only rarely seen notes given a 70 (& they're often new polymers if I do see one) & they're of no interest to me whatsoever. Most sellers who sell such stock always banner their sales with "Top Pop" or "one of a kind." To me, this is taking advantage of less experienced collectors with deep pockets.

In Canada we have BCS (Banknote Certification Services) who are very strict/conservative and the highest grade I have seen (to date) has been Gem 66. But that's just me & I only started buying TPG banknotes about 5 years ago. The last thing on my agenda is splitting hairs on a 65 or 66.


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focus on lower denominations as they are less likely to be graded ? or higher denominations


While high denominations may not have had such extensive print runs, they tend to get tucked away (in SDB) so I've seen many ($1000 for example) in higher grades (here in Canada). And in my books, they're over-priced.

I have never bought a specimen (nor remainders, proofs, etc) because I'm only interested in issued lower denomination banknotes. I can't for the life of me understand why collectors would buy a note that was never put into circulation & pay premium for its high grade.

Each banknote has been produced with unique features (prefix, serial number & signature combinations). Others may have design changes. To ignore these singular features is to miss the fun in the hobby. I'm interested in short prefixes or signature change-overs (or special serial numbers) & notes that had limited designs (like no security strip, Devil's Face, etc). With world notes I have become more a generalist (but again will go for the less common over the more common).

IMO: It is difficult to make a claim whether any coin/banknote collection will be a good investment. Depends on so many factors. I just find them a lot lighter (& easier to store) than coins. Going for high grade will help -but you should know what you're acquiring (whether it's highly desired/collectible helps).
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04/12/2020 10:12 am
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My personal preference is not to buy anything graded. I don't want to pay a premium for somebody elses opinion and I just don't like anything in a holder, I think I have about three graded notes and it counts as a negative to me when buying if it is in a holder.

The best notes I have were collected out of cashpoints on release. Each time a new note is released or a new signature appears I collect it and the majority of my British and American notes came that way.

As to the other notes, a common note in great condition is still a common note. I think a rarer note in reasonable condition is liable to be a better investment. I know I am not happy with the condition of every note I have but generally there are no holes or tears and unless they are really expensive without heavy folds etc. I think there will always be a market for these harder to obtain notes in a condition that has eye appeal but that is conceivably within budget because people want to fill type sets.

I am thinking along the lines of notes like the educational series where a note is going to be way out of budget in high grade, such a note would be preferable in scrappy condition than a more common high grade note of similar value in my opinion.

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