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I Have An Gold Diocletian Coin

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can you tell me some details about this coin.i found it at my parents house.it is gold but I don't know if is authentic.
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Can we get the diameter, weight, and pics of both the reverse and the edge? Something off in the strike, could be ex-jewellery, could be cast.
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 Posted 04/14/2020  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has the appearance of a 14K (.575) gold casting
Roman gold had a high gold content that was maintained even in the worst of times
If not for the current plague your easiest route would be a local gold buyer to test it
If it tests below 90% it's definitely jewelry
Over 95% and you might have something worth investigating further
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 Posted 04/14/2020  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add diocletian coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Has 5,6 grams and is 24 k gold
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This is the reverse
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Looks like a jeweler's copy, in good gold.
Best test at this stage is XRF, looking for trace elements, not gold.
The Romans were not able to refine their gold much beyond about 95% pure.
The surface texture on all parts of the coin is the same, no variation. That makes it sus to my eye.

Does it have an independently provable provenance?


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'Diocletian aureus'
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Belive me that I don't know to many things about coins.i just found it and I was thinking that maybe is an authentic coin.so I supose that is worthing only the value of the gold?
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I don't think it is 24K gold
How are you able to determine ?
Thirty years ago I had some fun in a jewelry class nearby
They had some modest casting equipment for the full time students who graduated from the school
While everyone else in the class was sawing small pieces of plate silver to make 'trinkets' I was eyeing the kilns and the acetylene torch etc
I made a few coin castings (mostly silver) to mount or solder onto rings which I also cast
Gold was relatively inexpensive back then ($275 oz)
I got bold enough to try my hand
Alloyed gold comes out of the investment with a surface oxidation that you need to polish away
That is what I am seeing on your pic
Someone did the cursory 'buff' but you can still see some oxidation in the detail (portrait & legend) from the silver & copper in the alloy
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The truth is that the coin is not authentic, but it is somehow beautiful
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Thank you for youre advices,and youre opinion
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It looks like it's a denaius that has been gold plated.
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I believe the reverse is Jupiter holding victory on a globe. I don't believe an Aureus was struck with that type of reverse.
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There is a curious 'lump' on the reverse rim at 7 o'clock, which suggests to me that it may have been cast.
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I believe the reverse is Jupiter holding victory on a globe. I don't believe an Aureus was struck with that type of reverse.


The reverse is Emperor seated holding victory on globe and parazonium and though the coin that started this topic is not genuine, real ones do exist-- RIC Vii Cyzicus 286...though it is an exceptionally rare type.
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Victor, I really need to check my eyes cuz I see no wings on that reverse.
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