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1963 LMC Struck Through (Ls) Capped Die

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I bought this coin off ebay and it is in transit so not in hand yet. It caught my eye and I have wanted an example of this error. I was hoping to get some opinions from CCF on this error and its condition. The seller suspected it was a proof coin. Any feedback is welcome, thanks!


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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 04/25/2020  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice example! To me it looks like it's cleaned, and that's about the only downside I see to it.
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Very nice find, congrats!

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 Posted 04/25/2020  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice purchase CoinHI!
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Thanks E&V, QuarterHoarder72, & Coinfrog!

any other opinions on wether this looks cleaned, proof, or BU?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 04/25/2020  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice error. It's definitely a proof, sadly the obverse was cleaned. Had it not been this would have quite valuable. Die cap proofs are scarce as hens teeth.
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Thanks GrapeCollects. It definitely could be cleaned and I'll know more once it's in hand. The seller stated they saw no indications of cleaning. If you compare the first and last photo together (same lighting and background) it looks more natural. I don't understand why someone would clean a proof either


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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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If its truly uncleaned in hand then what you have would be quite nice. I've never heard of a capped die proof Memorial cent. But yet here it is in front of me.
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Here are a couple more picts from the listing. I will definitely post picts once in-hand.

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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Could be interesting - once in hand post accurate photos.

I'm missing the boat on why opinions so far are leading to a proof strike?

I don't see evidence of a proof strike on the reverse - what am I missing?
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Thanks nickelsearcher, All opinions are welcome here, I too wasn't seeing a proof reverse. The seller said they thought it was proof and they admit their photos don't represent this coin well. I know there are different types of proofs though and this one isn't cameo for sure. Question then is if the obverse looks like a proof how could the reverse not be? Is there something about the reverse design that tells you its not proof? like rim shape or something else?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 04/26/2020  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someone may have polished it? Maybe trying to fix the top of the head. It was an error coin. (Note the fine scratches on the obverse)
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Thanks Coop, the top of the head area is a glare/shadow effect I think, not damage.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Well, here is the coin in hand. Unfortunately the coin has abrasion marks consistent with cleaning. It still looks like a proof struck through capped die and if it is, I'm curious how many of these exist.

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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 04/30/2020  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Depends on how long the cap remains on the die.
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Reverse die cap. (capped anvil die:
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The first strike will show the outlines of the reverse die.
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Some after that the enlarged obverse devices.
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Later after that similar to your coin.
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Then the total loss of any devices.
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The the thinning and possible rotation stage.
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Then the deterioration stage.
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But they can fall quickly, like the first images I posted, or have to be removed from the die.

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Sometimes they stack up on the die.
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CoopHome : Die caps and struck through die caps
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Thanks Coop, I like those proof quarter examples.

I am looking for info or examples of proof Lincoln die caps and die cap struck throughs if anyones got'em.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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