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 Posted 11/04/2008  7:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add VAMit to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A couple questions about toning.
1. How long does it take? Naturally.
2. Does it stop once it is slabbed or in a 2x2 etc. or does it keep going once it starts?

I'm sure these are rookie questions, but hey I'm a rookie!

Thanks,
Zac
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 Posted 11/04/2008  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well it can take years or it can take days, it is all according to the conditions the coin is subject to and what environment its stored in. It doesn't stop toning unless the conditions change, like put in something that is air tight or a change in environment but if nothing changes it will keep toning until it turns completely black
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 Posted 11/04/2008  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Depends on how you "naturally" tone the coin.

If you place a coin in an album or a slab it's still going to tone, but at a MUCH slower rate.
If you place a coin on a windowsill in sunlight it's going to tone much faster.

Both are considered natural.

I live in south Texas and am starting to experiment with natural toning. I'm rigging up a felt lined box that I'm going to inset into the top of my dash. (Don't freak out it's a company truck and I'll make it look nice.) I've going to set it up to where I can have about 16 or so different coins toning at any given time. I'm interested to see what the affects of 100 degrees (probably closer to 150 in the cab) and some seriously intense sunlight will do to different coins and the speed at which it will do it.
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 Posted 11/05/2008  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VAMit,

Sulfur is the primary catalyst for silver coins. Most paper contains varying amounts of this chemical. That's why you can get rim toning (my preferred type) when silver coins are stored in Whitman or Dansco albums. I've also seen complete toning on coins stored in those manilla envelope holders.

Holdering a coin won't necessarily stop or prevent toning. Although sonic-sealed and reported to be air tight, any contaminants on the coin when holdered will affect it during its time in the slab. A coin that has toning ... in some cases quite spectacular toning ... may continue to tone and its rainbow qualities may be gone forever. I'm very reluctant to invest large sums of money on a holdered coin with beautiful toning for just this reason. But there are plenty of others out there that will.
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 Posted 11/05/2008  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chlorine is also an element of coin toning. Trace amounts of chlorine are left behind in paper from the bleaching process. It's effects are very fast acting in large amounts. I tried Chlorox on a junk coin to see what would happen and I had a black coin in a matter of minutes. I was able to watch it go from bright silver to rainbow to black, it was an interesting experiment, but very uncontrollable.
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 Posted 11/06/2008  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VAMit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow great answers everyone, thank you.
Like SeatedNut I like the rim toning so I might just have to get some Dansco albums!
Looks like it is time to experiment, safely of course.
Thanks again everyone!
-Zac
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 Posted 11/08/2008  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add haidee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
is it possible to have uneven toning?
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It's possible to have rainbow toning,or toning on one side only of a coin.
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For natural toning a coin can tone unevenly, on one side only, horribly, not at all, etc. There are many substances that create toning in a coin. And as well there are many reasons it can be stopped or deminished. Since toning is in reality a chemical reaction of metal with other substances, it will and does vary massively.
For example if a coin is left in the area of a pool that has been treated with Chlorine, a coin laying on the ground in an area where a steel mill once was in operation, near a power plant that burns sulfur rich coal it may or may not tone. Some coins are handled by people in gas stations and become oily so they would not necessarily tone due to a protective covering. However, some coins would tone from that same oil pending the material of the coin.
There are many people that play around with toning of coins. Some of the better results are from heating a coin. Of course the method of heat, the amount of heat, the burning material all make for different results.
One of the things I like to do is buy cleaned coins since they are usually much cheaper. Then place them on a window sill in the kitchen. If a lot of cooking is done in that room, the amount and variety of gasses present normally will tone down a cleaned coin to make it look almost normal. Some have come out so normal it is almost impossible to tell they were ever cleaned. The problem is what is cooking though.
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