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Hello. I have these two barbaric imitations. One from Tetricus and one from Theodosius. Is it possible to identify the people who minted these coins?    |
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Russian Federation
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I'm not sure if the Tetricus imitations were ever classified by tribe. It must have been a pretty complicated project.
As for the Theodosius, it doesn't even look like an imitation to me. Why do you believe it to be one?
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The bust is "deformed" and the size is smaller than the official. It seems to me a rough imitation of this coin.  |
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United Kingdom
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Love the reverse on coin number one....
Looks like a military man, with breasts, doing the Irish jig!
I would buy that coin just for that.
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Looks like a military man, with breasts It's a Virtus reverse and despite the manly attributes, Virtus is a female; which is often clear on coins like the Tetricus below.  |
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The first coin is one of the so-called "barbarous radiates", contemporary counterfeits produced primarily in Britain and Gaul as a response to small change being in short supply. This economic crisis began in the later years of Gallienus and peaked during the reign of Tetricus. On the continent, production of the 'barbarous radiates' ceased soon after the Aurelian's reform of 275. Aurelian's reformed coinage never reached Britain in quantity, however, and the illicit mints seem to have continued working there until about 283. The term "barbarous" should not be taken to imply "barbarian", but that the style and workmanship are of un-Roman or unofficial quality.
I'm not convinced that the second coin is unofficial.
Edited by Kushanshah
05/02/2020 9:16 pm
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Valued Member
Brazil
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Thank you all for the information. The first coin is actually a barbarous radiates. But it is more rudimentary than those normally found in gaul. The recorder was probably anaphylactic, there are no legends. Virtus reverse looks like a rock painting. According to the former owner, this piece was found in present-day Germany In relation to the second coin, in this period the coins had low intrinsic value, imitations were a way of having cash. The bust reminds me of these imitations http://augustuscoins.com/ed/imit/imitRICIX.html, the DN THEODO legends ... have decreasing size and irregular appearance. |
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It's Theodosius I. You can make out part of the mintmark AQ? which means it is from Aquileia and Theodosius II did not issue this type from that mint.
Edited by Victor
06/19/2020 5:05 pm
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Brazil
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In salus reipublicae coins the victory is usually after the "rei": salus rei-publicae, but in this the victory is separating after the r salusr- (rest not visible). That, but the crude bust, and the diminishing DNTHEODO caption make me believe to be imitative.
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The EI of SALVS REI is there, it just kind of merges with Victory's head and arm. The THEODO-SIVS division is shared with the coin posted by Oak (which certainly looks official to me).
I do agree that the style seems a bit too crude for as early as Theo I. Could it be an early-ish Theo II issue? Hold on, I'll check Esty.
EDIT: checked Esty, it's definitely not Theo II, but I can't find an image for Aquileia, so I'm not sure what the style is supposed to look like.
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Valued Member
Brazil
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As said by friend Victor and what I searched for there is no Salus-Republicae with mint mark Aquileia for Theodosius II.
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The second coin is Theodosius I: RIC IX, 58b.   Edited by Kushanshah
06/20/2020 6:20 pm
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Brazil
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I tend to agree with that classification. But the style of bust seems a bit too crude.
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To quote the philosopher, "Non potes ducere equum ad aquam, sed non potes facere bibet".
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Posted 05/02/2020 11:35 am
