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Possible Countermark Or Unfortunate Dent?

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 Posted 05/02/2020  5:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add FuzzyDuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,
Below is a picture of one of my coins (Trajan)
On the reverse, underneath the right wing there is a very obvious indent. I hadn't heard of countermarks up to this point and so am now questioning if this was maby a countermark, and if so what does that signify?
Thanks for any help
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 Posted 05/02/2020  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We need to see the other side, too.
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 Posted 05/02/2020  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FuzzyDuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, here it is

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 Posted 05/02/2020  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I assume it's the same coin?....Diameter and weight would help?
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 Posted 05/02/2020  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a lions head facing left. Could be a counter-mark or just my vivid imagination.
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 Posted 05/02/2020  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FuzzyDuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it's the same coin, the second photo was taken in different lighting and much closer up.
It is weighing in at 9g, but my scales are not the best.
Approx 26mm
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 Posted 05/02/2020  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dent or minting error, I suspect.
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 Posted 05/03/2020  06:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FuzzyDuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay thank you. Just out of interest, if it is damage from being hit, what sort of force would be needed to do it? It is very deep
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 Posted 05/03/2020  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It may be a flan defect ("natural pit", "flan void"), present before striking. If it were a later dent or punch, there would be a corresponding flat area on the obverse, which I don't see.
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I have two coins with a similar 'defect'
A sestertius of Postumus and a copper As of Germanicus
I always supposed they came from something getting between the die and the coin flan while being struck
The "intruder" afterwards falling away and leaving the indentation
In neither case is there any trace of any defect on the opposite side

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