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Just found this Token in a vintage cupboard my mother bought. Interested in what it is, history worth etc.

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Imitation Venetian sequin issued by John Wilcox & sons
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Ah right, ok. Cant find much information about it online. Is it quite common?
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Alternate names are "ducat" and "zecchino", which may help you with your search.
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Roy Hawkins in his book, A Dictionary of Makers of British metallic tickets, checks, medalets, tallies, and counters 1788-1910, mentions these on pp.633-634 under the entry for John Cooke & Sons.

He quotes from G.C. Brook's Literary & Historical Atlas of Africa and Australia:

"Figs. 6, 7, and 8 on Plate VII form an interesting group: fig. 6 is a Venetian sequin of the Doge Alvise Mocenigo III (1722-1732 A.D.), a coin which came into Africa and was there imitated in copper; fig. 7 shows the African copper imitation, on which a close resemblance may be seen in parts of the inscription to the original sequin; this imitation was so popular among the natives that a London firm (John Cook & Sons) made for exportation to Africa similar imitations in brass or copper-gilt (Plate VII. 8), on the obverse of which the blundered inscription was replaced by the name of the firm in dog-Latin (Johannes Ille Coquus Sui Filiique)".

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Just to clarify a bit on what was said above.

"Sequin" was, originally, the French name for the Venetian gold coin known in Italian as the "zecchino", also known as a "ducat"; these are the coins Shylock craved in Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice. In the Near East and Africa, these coins were frequently holed and used as personal decorations, a practice which eventually led to the word "sequin", in English, referring to any holed, glittery ornament sewn onto a garment.

The original mediaeval-era coins looked like this. As you can see, the design on the imitation is rather crude, but it does retain the overall form and pattern. On the obverse is Christ standing in a lozenge-shaped field of stars; on the reverse, the Doge (ruler of Venice) kneels before Saint Mark, Venice's patron saint. On the imitation, Mr. Cooke apparently thought putting Jesus on his imitations would be sacrilegious, so the figure of Christ has been replaced with... torches? Cornucopiae? Plants of some kind? I'm not entirely sure.
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