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1931 P Lincoln Cent With Shadow, What Causes This?

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 Posted 05/23/2020  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Note the affect only shows on one side of the coin. So it was not a strike issue. If it were a strike issue, we would see the same thing on the reverse.
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 Posted 05/23/2020  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's not always the case, Coop. I have published several examples of one-sided rotational double strikes in Coin World, the last only a few weeks ago. Here's an example in a 1966 nickel:


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 Posted 05/23/2020  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someday I hope I can read about these, maybe when they get on your site. Most of the time here we see a lot of altered stuff.

Added: That does look interesting. Loose hammer die issue? Was this coin rotated a bit on the front/reverse?
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 Posted 05/23/2020  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SomeGoodCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Understood, I will contact you at error-ref.com after I run a few errands. Thank you!
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 Posted 05/23/2020  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop, these sorts of errors are already on error-ref. It's most likely that the hammer die came loose in its recess, but I can't rule out the possibility that the entire die assembly rotated between strikes. There's no doubling on the reverse except some minor Machine Doubling. I have similar errors from New Zealand, China, and Ethiopia.
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 Posted 05/23/2020  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the OPs'coin is genuine what would be the current value...ballpark.
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 Posted 05/23/2020  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It depends on the nature of the error. Too few examples of one-sided double strikes and surface film transfer have come on the market to establish a price. The heavy wear will, of course, detract from its value. In my experience, rare errors that are also obscure don't bring as much as you'd think, simply because there's no existing fan base.
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 Posted 05/27/2020  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SomeGoodCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your inputs, its truly exciting to hear the experts exchange thoughts about this oddball. Regardless of the outcome its been a great experience for me and my family. I actually held this coin over a decade now. Never really knew for certain if it was a genuine error but I always put oddball looking coins aside. I have over 8 full tubes of oddball Wheats now, mostly are Lamination examples, a few really neat looking and many I re-examine now and try to figure out why I set them aside! Its the worlds greatest hobby, thanks for sharing your wisdom I'll gladly absorb it with glee.
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 Posted 05/27/2020  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you live and learn, like all of us!
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 Posted 05/30/2020  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I now have the 1931 cent. Those who expressed doubts about this specimen were entirely warranted in their suspicions. The coin was indeed struck with a false (counterfeit) obverse die. There were either several strikes or the counterfeit die itself bore several impressions. On the left side of the reverse, opposite the stronger accessory images, the surface of the coin is flattened, warped, and scraped. While this outcome was disappointing, it is not surprising. Genuine one-sided rotational double strikes are very rare and vastly outnumbered by fakes.
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 Posted 05/30/2020  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SomeGoodCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone, your input is greatly valued, a special thanks to Mike for taking a second look. The world of error coins is so vast and my knowledge is rather limited but I'll keep reading and learning. I have over 8 full rolls of oddball Wheat Cents I've collected through the years. Someday Ill go through them and post pics of the more intriguing examples for your advice and guidance, thank you all!
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This thread has been a great learning experience, at least for me.
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 Posted 05/30/2020  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpgrajek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great thread.

Thanks
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Always good to get a confirmation of what we think we know. Adjust when we are wrong.
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