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1931 P Lincoln Cent With Shadow, What Causes This?

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 Posted 05/27/2020  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SomeGoodCents to your friends list
Thank you all for your inputs, its truly exciting to hear the experts exchange thoughts about this oddball. Regardless of the outcome its been a great experience for me and my family. I actually held this coin over a decade now. Never really knew for certain if it was a genuine error but I always put oddball looking coins aside. I have over 8 full tubes of oddball Wheats now, mostly are Lamination examples, a few really neat looking and many I re-examine now and try to figure out why I set them aside! Its the worlds greatest hobby, thanks for sharing your wisdom I'll gladly absorb it with glee.
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 Posted 05/27/2020  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
So you live and learn, like all of us!
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 Posted 05/30/2020  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
I now have the 1931 cent. Those who expressed doubts about this specimen were entirely warranted in their suspicions. The coin was indeed struck with a false (counterfeit) obverse die. There were either several strikes or the counterfeit die itself bore several impressions. On the left side of the reverse, opposite the stronger accessory images, the surface of the coin is flattened, warped, and scraped. While this outcome was disappointing, it is not surprising. Genuine one-sided rotational double strikes are very rare and vastly outnumbered by fakes.
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 Posted 05/30/2020  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
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 Posted 05/30/2020  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SomeGoodCents to your friends list
Thank you everyone, your input is greatly valued, a special thanks to Mike for taking a second look. The world of error coins is so vast and my knowledge is rather limited but I'll keep reading and learning. I have over 8 full rolls of oddball Wheat Cents I've collected through the years. Someday Ill go through them and post pics of the more intriguing examples for your advice and guidance, thank you all!
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 Posted 05/30/2020  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
This thread has been a great learning experience, at least for me.
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 Posted 05/30/2020  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpgrajek to your friends list
Great thread.

Thanks
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 Posted 05/30/2020  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Always good to get a confirmation of what we think we know. Adjust when we are wrong.
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 Posted 05/30/2020  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
John, when you get your coin back, you'll want to double check that the photo you posted of the reverse matches what I saw under the microscope. Your photo doesn't show the warping, flattening, or scrapes that I observed.
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 Posted 05/30/2020  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Excellent detective work @md and thanks for teaching us!
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 Posted 05/30/2020  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sheldius to your friends list
Very cool topic, even if it wasn't a rotated die.
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 Posted 05/31/2020  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SomeGoodCents to your friends list
Oh my goodness Mike your correct, I just noticed that my 1926 D with high mintmark pic has the same Reverse as this 1931. Coop I love your work with this post but this Reverse is probably 26D, I apologize. I assure you this was an honest mistake. I took pictures of these (and a few others) at the same time. I have photos saved Let me see if I can detect where I went wrong.
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 Posted 05/31/2020  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SomeGoodCents to your friends list
I don't know how I did it they are labeled correctly in my picture file. This reverse picture is incorrect, the actual reverse I have saved is posted below. Sorry everyone Noob mistake. Mike does this Reverse appear to be Reverse you examined? Gosh I'm really sorry everyone.
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 Posted 05/31/2020  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
That is what I felt the reverse should have looked like on this coin. It shows the damage created by the obverse alteration.
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Fixed the wrong reverses and deleted the above images with the wrong reverse. They will eventually stop appearing.
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 Posted 05/31/2020  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Kudos to Dr. coop and all posters on this most infornmative thread.
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