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I have been collecting cents for a long while now and sell regularly on ebay. Through the years I always kept the strange looking ones. Most are probably PMD, many are Lamination. Now I have tubes of these laying around. I hope that someone can educate me on a few oddities.   Edited by SomeGoodCents
05/23/2020 01:50 am
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Please be more specific. Indirect die transfer on the reverse? John1  |
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It kinda looks like the word LIBERTY is doubled, but up and to the left at an angle.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Looks like a possible double strike die rotation. Pretty cool coin. Or possibly some severe Machine Doubling. Edited by fenton
05/23/2020 09:23 am
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Looks like a TY under LIBERTY as well. We need Mike on this. John1 |
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Calling Dr. coop!  to the CCF! |
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triple strike? But why not more on the reverse?
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If this coin was struck multiple times, there would be (1) multiple lettering in the motto and date, with the same degree of rotation, and (2) doubling on the reverse, with the same degree of rotation. Neither is apparent on this coin.
The date appears to be wrong for a 1931 on your coin. Your "3" appears to be too low relative to the line connecting the top of the first "1" and the top of the "9" and the shape of the opening of the "9" appears to be incorrect.
I suspect either a faked error, using a weak transfer die second strike, or an entirely counterfeited coin. A weak transfer die strike would explain the mushy, flattened reverse.
EDIT: @John K, you beat me to it, and posted while I was sipping coffee and working on my post. We definitely see the same problem with this critter!
Edited by fortcollins
05/23/2020 11:55 am
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I think another possibility would be a very very late stage rotated die cap strike through. Definitely need mike to confirm anything though
Edited by Adam_E
05/23/2020 12:23 pm
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I'm a returning member from several years ago. I can remember a member named Coop that used to give me great coin evaluations. I'm not sure if I posted this oddball back then but it really caught my eye when I plucked it out of a 5,000 ct. bag some time ago. I have 8-9 rolls (tubes) of odd looking cents I pulled from bags over the years, many Lamination examples. Most of these bags came from Provident Metals, they used to sell some outstanding bags of Wheat Cents.
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This could be a counterfeit involving the use of a fake obverse die to generate the second and third strikes. If so, it would be very similar to the many 1964 and 1964-D cents with fake one-sided double and triple strikes. However, there are other possibilities. If the extra images show relief, this might be a one-sided rotational triple strike. Such an error would occur if the obverse die were to rotate between each strike while the coin remained firmly seated on the anvil die. A few such errors are known among domestic business strikes (and more among proofs). If the extra images are simply shadows, this could instead be an example of surface film transfer. Such errors occur when a die strikes a dirty planchet strike, with movement between strikes. The dirty design is transferred back to the die face and then transferred to the next planchet. Such errors can also occur if a dirty die strikes a coin twice, with movement of the coin between strikes. I know of two examples among domestic dimes. If you would be willing, I would like to examine this coin up close and possibly write it up for my Coin World column. Error coin writer and researcher.
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Mike it would be an honor to have you take a closer look, Sir. I'm sure you understand I'm a bit hesitant to let this out of my hands. How can we do this in a secure fashion?
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I tried to send you an e-mail through Coin Community but was informed that you haven't activated this capability.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Oh he doesn't have 50 posts yet.
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If you want to contact me directly, you can do so through error-ref.com. Please be aware that the coin's advanced state of wear may preclude a definitive diagnosis.
Error coin writer and researcher.
Edited by mikediamond
05/23/2020 3:10 pm
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Posted 05/23/2020 09:10 am
