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Shipping To Poland: Ebay Miscalculates Cost And Export Restrictions

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Anyone shipped to Poland? I have a buyer from there who purchased one of my ancient Roman coins, but ebay only charged $3.39 shipping. When I went to print the label the cheapest option available was $14 - on a 3oz coin. I had to back out of the sale.

Also, anyone know what the import/export rules are with that country when it comes to ancients? The buyer seems a bit over eager on a $20 coin, and maybe I'm paranoid. Yeah, I AM paranoid these days so something doesn't seem right.
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 Posted 05/27/2020  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are responsible for any listing you put on ebay , no one else .
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A 3 ounce coin isn't going to get cheap rate to Poland no matter how it's going
Small coins (even sestertius) I have slipped through in padded envelopes
Larger coins in a 6 x 9 Manila with foam added
Generally in the 3-4 dollar range
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You are responsible for any listing you put on ebay , no one else .


ebay calculates the postal rate and gives the seller several options to choose from. The cheapest option was $14 for me, but it took $3.39 from the buyer. It didn't present the same shipping option to me that it presented to the buyer.

I've been doing this for 21 years and it has worked without a problem - until my buyer from Poland.

ebay support said that was weird but that was it.

That's issue #1. Issue #2 is whether anyone knows the laws regarding ancients in Poland. I know the laws in most of the EU, but not Poland - and info is tough to find.
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The least expensive international option offered by the USPS is 1st class package which runs about $14 to most countries. "Slipping through" at the letter rate is a felony.
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Yeah, the whole transaction seems sketchy to me. I voided it but the buyer wants to try again.
I just don't need the aggravation right now.
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I send to Poland all the time and the buyer has always paid the price I put on ebay for them. I lose money but I have always said $2 in USA, $8 in Canada, and $12 to the overseas countries I sell to. So if you set a price for a buyer from that country they just pay it. I used to not lose money of course, but now shipping has gone up and I have just never adjusted it up.
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I bring all my 'parcels' to my local PO
They ask me if "anything liquid hazardous or perishable ?"
The answer is of course no
If asked I reply (generally) coin about the size of a penny
They apply the postage
Not me !
Overseas is generally a few dollars
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It's tricky.

1) Sell item on ebay
2) Go into PayPal and ship from there
3) Instead of first class international package, select international letter, and package type as small envelope
4) Input weight, customs etc. Usually costs less than domestic shipping, about $2-3.
5) Say your prayers because most international customs offices don't scan them, and without the cooperation of foreign customs agencies, your buyer gets an automatic refund if it doesn't arrive in a "reasonable" time.

Personally, I wouldn't do it. I just had to give a $70 refund for a buyer in Poland whose package vanished into thin air back in early April.
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Personally, I wouldn't do it. I just had to give a $70 refund for a buyer in Poland whose package vanished into thin air back in early April.


I decided not to pursue the matter and withdrew the coin. In fact I cancelled all my listings because selling on ebay is aggravating enough during normal times, and times aren't normal.
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What about ebay's Global International Shipping. Has anyone tried that? I was thinking about selling some of my coins, but very leery of seller International.
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What about ebay's Global International Shipping


I used it for over a year.

Pro- ebay guarantees shipment, so buyers can't leave negative feedback regarding shipping i.e. slow or lost package

Con- expensive shipping, close to $25. I got several complaints.

I stopped using it and went back to USPS International shipping for $10.
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Victor that's too expensive, scratch the Global Shipping Program.
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The least expensive international option offered by the USPS is 1st class package which runs about $14 to most countries. "Slipping through" at the letter rate is a felony.


I know your answers are always well-researched, and this one caught me by surprise, so I went looking through the USPS publications to try and find the prohibition or restriction on sending coins internationally as a first class letter.

The page in International Mailing Restrictions starts like this:

USPS International Shipping Regulations
Anything that may not be shipped in the United States you may not ship internationally. Also, you may not mail certain items, like cigarettes, internationally even though you may mail them within the United States. USPS Publication 52, Hazardous, Restricted, & Perishable Mail and the International Mail Manual provide full explanations on USPS regulations of prohibited and restricted items.

Farther down the same page is this:

Internationally Prohibited Items
These items may not be sent from the United States to any country:
Aerosols
Air Bags
Alcoholic Beverages
Ammunition
Cigarettes
Dry Ice
Explosives
Fresh Fruits and Vegetables
Gasoline
Marijuana (medical or otherwise)
Nail Polish
Perfumes (containing alcohol)
Poisons

If I go to Publication 52, Section 4 (Restricted Materials), coins are not mentioned.

To me, this means that it's OK to send coins domestically as a first class letter (as long as it does not exceed either the 1/4" thickness limit, or the 1 pound weight limit). And that should mean it is OK to send them internationally, unless prohibited by the receiving country.

I agree that the thick, 3 ounce coin mentioned by the OP can probably not be mailed as a first class letter, because the thickness limit would be exceeded (maybe this is what you were saying, and I was too dense to understand ... happens a lot with me). SOmetimes when I package a larger coin for shipment, I take it to the postal clerk, and they have a 1/4" "template" ... a piece of plastic or cardboard with a 1/4" slot... that they use to check it.

But I would assume that it is OK to mail a small coin as a first class international letter (as mentioned by some other posters) unless prohibited by the receiving country.

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05/31/2020 11:12 am
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And that should mean it is OK to send them internationally, unless prohibited by the receiving country.

Unfortunately, as of January 2018, USPS first class international letters and flats may contain only documents. All merchandise (anything with a value greater than $0) must go by first class package, priority mail or express mail with customs form attached. The change was to comply with Universal Postal Union regulations.

See the USPS notice here: https://about.usps.com/postal-bulle...updt_006.htm "In this price change, conforming to the requirements of the Universal Postal Convention, we are limiting the contents of First-Class Mail International postcard, letter, and large envelope (flats) mail to personal correspondence and nondutiable documents. Merchandise that was formerly carried in First-Class Mail International service will instead be eligible to be enclosed in First-Class Package International Service® (FCPIS®) pieces or another available service."

While 1st class package international is relatively expensive (~$14), it includes E-DELCON tracking and delivery confirmation (per PayPal requirements for seller protection) to some 42 countries if you print the postage yourself. E-DELCON is not available in person at the Post Office. You can also sign your customer up to receive an email or text every time the parcel is scanned en route. On self-printed labels, the customs form is integrated into the label, making the declaration much less conspicuous than the separate hand-printed forms at the post office.

The best part of printing your own postage is that you never need to visit the post office. The price also includes free scheduled pickup!

Domestically, coins can still be sent by 1st class letter at the non-machineable rate (75¢). Personally, I prefer 1st class package for domestic mail as well (~$2.75) because it satisfies PayPal seller protection.

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Great clarification. Thanks

It seems their standard publications (which is what pops up when you use their FAQs or query feature to get answers on International mail) have not yet caught up with the change announced in this bulletin... even though it came out over 2 years ago!

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