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Pillar of the Community
Singapore
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Common coin right, worth faking ?
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I've seen fakes of the Prussian 5 Mark 1907, 1937 UK Crown, S.Africa 5 Shillings 1952, so it'd seem that nothing isn't worth faking, especially since people are likely to be less suspicious precisely because of their commonality
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Austria
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This is probably an old circulating forgery, not something ment to fool a collector.
Back then it was probably worth faking it as the silver was still worth something.
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United States
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I'd like to see head on photos of the obverse and reverse to judge authenticity, but I don't believe that discoloration along the edges is silvering over base metal. It looks like environmental damage / staining; I've seen similar colored staining on authentic silver coins before. Note that there's silver showing on the raised letters of the edge; for silvering, I'd expect to see the opposite where wear exposes base metal on the letters and original silvering still shows along the flat surfaces of the edge.
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Agreed with @Atlas642 - I am a prolific collector of pre-Euro Belgian coinage (including circulating counterfeits), and this is a genuine coin that has been stored in a 'Whitman' style album which caused discoloration on the edges. There are contemporary counterfeits of these 5 Franc coins (I have around 40 examples of different types), but this is not one of them. Circulated, yes - filed to retrieve silver shavings, yes, but a fake, no. Hope this helps :)
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Edited by sg93 06/03/2020 8:56 pm
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Valued Member
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Which Whitman album by the way? The PVC types?
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Valued Member
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I was referring to the cardboard folders. It is possible that there are deposits of dirt, etc which have built up over the years, and as I mentioned, the edges of this coin have been damaged through filing, resulting in the 'weak' appearance of the letters. Again, this is a damaged coin, but I see no indication that it is a counterfeit.
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Bedrock of the Community
United Kingdom
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Quote: I see no indication that it is a counterfeit.  When I've dug up coins with my metal detector, I find the edge is the most difficult part to clean. If I dig up something like a heavily tarnished 20p or 50p coin, I'll try to get it into respectable condition by cleaning the obverse and reverse, but leave the edge as it is. If this coin suffered environmental damage at some stage and then re-entered circulation, it's likely that the traces of the discoloration remained on the edge.
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Ok, so what sort of chemical reaction could have resulted in this particular type of discoloration? I'm only familiar with the usual grey-to-dark grey type, if not some iridescent or even gold toning, but never this kind, if it isn't actually soil.
Thanks for the insight, never having cleaned any coins, not even for experiment, I wouldn't have thought about that.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I see no reason why the 1873 Belgian 5 francs should be counterfeited. They are common.
If everything checks out - end of story.
There are far more tempting European silver crown targets out there for the fakers than this type.
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Yes, I've just had them tested, they are of 90% silver. But anyway I have seen fakes of the common Prussian one I mentioned a few replies up, so I wouldn't be too confident, although those fakes were too obvious anyway.
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 United States
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Quote: Ok, so what sort of chemical reaction could have resulted in this particular type of discoloration? Sulfur containing compounds are generally considered to be the culprit.
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And with that, I think that we can bury this truly well and dead horse.
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alright, thanks all for your observations.
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