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pdg Valued Member New Zealand 89 Posts	Posted 06/08/2020 05:54 am Greetings all, I've spotted this large Byzantine bronze for sale. The seller doesn't provide any information but it looks like a follis from Justinian I, year 12/539AD?, Nikomedeia mint. What puzzles me is the size - a claimed 42mm. I've never seen a Byzantine bronze that big. The portrait also looks kind of crude, though I've read that was sometimes the case on Byzantine coins. Any opinions welcome :-) Report this Post to the Staff

Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2868 Posts	Posted 06/08/2020 07:29 am https://www.cointalk.com/threads/by...akes.350625/ My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 06/08/2020 08:04 am Sorry but I agree this is not a genuine example. Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21786 Posts	Posted 06/08/2020 09:04 am My first suspicion is that it looked too good to be true. The details appear to be a bit 'mushy' which suggests that it may be a 2nd generation copy off a genuine coin; style OK, but the fabric isn't, besides, the flan is too obviously over sized. Edited by sel_69l 06/08/2020 09:11 am Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 06/08/2020 09:51 am Fake Reports: Report this Post to the Staff
travelcoin Pillar of the Community United States 1120 Posts	Posted 06/08/2020 2:02 pm Glad to see we spotted one before the actual sale. Nice job everyone. Edited by travelcoin 06/08/2020 2:03 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16805 Posts	Posted 06/08/2020 8:37 pm Justinian I, Year 12, Nicomedia mint... when you see that combination, just run away. There are millions of these fakes out there, mass-produced for sale to the tourists that pour off the cruise ships to visit Ephesus and other tourist traps in Turkey. As the comment on the third example in the pic BobL linked to states, the "giveaway" for these pieces is the little notch, looks kind of like an ` accent mark, just outside the rim above the second "P" in the obverse legend. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
pdg Valued Member New Zealand 89 Posts	Posted 06/09/2020 03:30 am Great, thank you everyone for the information! I shall run a mile from this auction; glad I asked first, and I have learned a little more. Now I have a moral dilemma: Do I try to warn others who may be considering bidding? This particular auction site allows potential buyers to post public questions (though the seller can ignore them of course). Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21786 Posts	Posted 06/09/2020 06:25 am I have to admit that I missed the little 'notch', despite not having a happy 'feel' about the OP's coin. My strong suspicion is that this piece is a pressure die cast copy off a genuine original. Report this Post to the Staff
FVRIVS RVFVS Pillar of the Community United States 3433 Posts	Posted 06/09/2020 08:19 am Back in 2015 I fell for the same one Sold by a 'reputable' German auction Curiously it appears to have been made of a ceramic type material which had the look and feel of genuine bronze But had the brittleness of a fine teacup ! Report this Post to the Staff
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