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Machine Doubling on the date. Its not a not a first strike coin. Note the fields/devices are showing die wear. If this is a proof coin, it maybe showing frosting, but the strike doesn't look strong enough to be a proof coin. First time seeing this coin though. But not a doubled die for sure.
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06/11/2020 1:35 pm
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It is a first-strike coin I have it in the slab I bought it straight from the mint
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looks like a scratch on the obverse extending from the flowing device. or die crack
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I think the scratch your seeing is on the outside of the slab
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Regardless, it DOES have Machine Doubling. Surprising to see this on a First Strike coin. |
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thats what was confusing me. being a first strike & showing MD...since it was a FS I thought maybe id gotten lucky but I guess like the rest of the 100% of the time, just more worthless doubling on a coin that shouldnt
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Hello Jsertl,
just commenting on the grade:
a coin that has MD and still PCGS grades this MS70?
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that very question ive been asking myself also... somethings not right. how could a first strike PCGS MS70 have Machine Doubling? I didn't think it was even possible that's why I went with the double die but evidently that ain't it either. If I can get good clear pictures of it. There's a couple other spots in question but I can't get a good picture and I'm not even about to butcher it by trying to explain it. So I'll just keep trying to take pictures till I can get a decent one. The location of it is in between the 3rd & 4th Sunshine Ray at about the 4 oclock position. And then another spot right above her foot in the crevice between the gown & the top of her foot. |
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Curiosity got the better of me with this coin. It looks like you have a die clash as well extending out from the gown on the obverse at 3 o'clock. First strike means it was produced within the first 30 days of production and from what I read, because of the pandemic, the west point mint shut down and the philly mint had to enact emergency production of this coin to try to help fill the void. I'm deducing from all this that they weren't prepared to have to mint this coin in the kind of numbers they eventually did or tried to do. I'm guessing they pushed what dies they had to the limit of the parameters for this particular issue and you probably got a coin from the tail end of the acceptable limits of a die they obviously would have and should have retired many coins before that. They minted like over 240,000 coins in just a couple week span. I def dont claim to be an expert in any of this btw, I had to look up first strike lol. But I would assume the coin grading companies have all these slabs pre made and waiting and just slapped whatever coins they got into them without doing an actual, normal detailed inspection. I'm assuming this usually happens to some degree with these special edition runs but because of the whole boosted production in a very small window, that's why your coin has MD and a pretty decent clash from the looks of it and still graded to a MS70. Or I'm 100% wrong and talking out of my *** Edited by Staff | The bad word filter is in place for a reason. Bypassing the filter and making the intended word obvious anyway is completely unacceptable. *** right now. Either way, if that is a die clash, along with the ibvious MD like coop said, you ended up with a pretty cool oddity to have a MS70 coin with very obvious issues that it shouldnt. I'd rather have that than a carbon copy of 240,000 other coins just like it. That's just me
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WAYNOAH83.... don't feel bad I'm wrong about 100% of time also. this hobby to me really isn't a collecting Hobby it's more of a OCD thing in a way I guess cuz I'm a perfectionist with some things. I can spot the slightest inconsistencies I might not be able to name them correctlyDDO,DDR,MD,DDD,ETC... but I can spot them. honestly though I don't get it. Someone on once told me showing off their new coin with Machine Doubling was like showing off their new car with a dent in it lol I don't understand why it's not like that with all errors I mean they're all imperfections. why is currency the only thing that get a premium just for having mistakes? nothing anywhere in this world gets produced absolutely perfect anywhere. but for some reason people expect currency to be the exception.but if its not perfect then it gets a premium and into a collection it goes. I don't know of anything else that gets produced that gets that kind of attention if your brand new Chevy Silverado came out with an error from the factory you would act on your warranty and send it back not slap a premium on it and sell it to someone else. I'm sure everything I just said it's like blasphemy to some serious coin collectors lol but It's just one of those things I thought about while staring at these coins. Either way Noah I like your idea I'll stick it back since it is the perfect MS70 error how many others do you know of? it may end up bringing a premium one day if someone's ever looking for a perfect MS70 error coin, a slabbed contradiction lol |
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It is a first-strike coin I have it in the slab I bought it straight from the mint That is a bullion type coin so you didn't buy it straight from the mint unless you are one of the major distributors buying 25,000 at a time. Quote:
First strike means it was produced within the first 30 days of production No, it means the TPG received it within the first 30 days after they were released. (Or in the case of a green monster box, with a packing date before Feb 1st no matter when they receive them) It has NOTHING to do with when they were made. It could have been made months before the Feb 1 cutoff. Or it could have been made Jan 29th. Quote:
from what I read, because of the pandemic, the west point mint shut down and the philly mint had to enact emergency production of this coin to try to help fill the void But the West Point shut down was April 15 -26 two and a half months after the cut off for this "first strike" designation. This is NOT one of the 240,000 "emergency" coins. Considering the percentage of coins getting 70's nowadays, there are probably LOTS of 70's out there with minor errors. Edited by Conder101
07/29/2020 11:36 pm
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CheesePizza, nice photographs, but we ask that you start a new thread for your own coin. Thanks. Also, when showing us your coin, please provide us with an overall photo of the whole coin, both sides, in addition to areas you want to show us. This really helps us! We're happy you want to share your coins with us!  to the CCF!  |
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