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1973 Silver Dollar With Complete Doubling Around The Reverse.

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 Posted 06/26/2020  3:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tone2tone to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
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I have been quite busy working on my error catolouge but I have a few things I want to share and possibly get some information on. I pulled this dollar out of a unopened specimen set. I have seen information on the slight doubling of the date but not every letter and the undersides of the mounted police as well. It was double struck so it could be specimen doubling? here are a few shots but I didn't get everything.. Any thoughts or opinions would be great....The outer edges of the coin have been discolored as the photo's display.
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 Posted 06/26/2020  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like MD, which is an error ... loose dies when struck.
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 Posted 06/26/2020  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tone2tone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks but I have never seen this before and cannot find any others like it. It seems by people's non responses it is nothing special for a doubled struck specimen to display this much. I don't know what to think..
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MD is common, like okiecoiner pointed out it happens when there is loose dies (even on specimen double struck coins) in the mix and they shift slightly clipping the edge of the design and reducing the size of it which in return makes it look "doubled" when in fact it is not, if you had another coin that looks normal and you did a photo overlay you would see the size of these devices would be tiny compared to what they are suppose to be.
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 Posted 06/27/2020  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tone2tone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Understood...Could you clarify this for me please....So I can only find mention of a doubled date for this coin and it looks the same as on mine. There is a price premium for it..I guess what I am asking is if there aren't many examples with MD of the date..and I certainly haven't found any that have it on the lettering and date..wouldn't it be considered rare? Sorry but I just am trying to figure that out...If I saw others like this then I wouldn't be asking... cheers
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I guess what I am asking is if there aren't many examples with MD of the date..and I certainly haven't found any that have it on the lettering and date..wouldn't it be considered rare?


I don't think it's rare, Machine Doubling can happen a lot as it's a random mechanical fault due to loose dies, unlike genuine hub doubling. True doubled die doubling is permanent and does not happen randomly while the coin is being struck like Machine Doubling does.

Not to say there aren't people out there that do collect machine doubled coins because there are collectors that do, so I guess it all depends on what it is worth to someone else interested in that sort of error.

The following post has the same coin as you with doubling in the Lettering and the Date.

http://goccf.com/t/144445
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Machine Doubling is usually offset in a specific direction. This looks like flat field doubling to me, because specimen coins were often struck twice... the extra metal looping all the way around on the bottom leg of the N shows this best.
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Machine Doubling is usually offset in a specific direction. This looks like flat field doubling to me, because specimen coins were often struck twice... the extra metal looping all the way around on the bottom leg of the N shows this best.


SPP-Ottawa, I'm glad you had something to say about this, I'm no expert when it comes to the silver and nickel dollars. I was just going by what I knew regarding other coins, tone2tone if SPP-Ottawa says its flat field doubling I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I knew specimens were struck twice but I also forget that they are made a bit differently than what I am use to dealing with.
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Ok..Great. Flat field doubling. So would this make it more interesting than it being MD? I am just trying to get a basic idea about what I have, in regards to others examples that might exist in the same condition. cheers..
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Interesting, yes, it is a cool conversation piece. However, it is a common occurrence on these coins, and carries no premium
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