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Filing - Genuine Or Fake?

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Having read the article on preparation of flans http://www.classicalcoins.com/flans1.html) posted by @echizento, I see that some coins were actually tooled (filed) after striking to remove imperfections in the process. I had always thought that marks such as these indicted fakes, but it is obviously not always the case.

There are filing marks on one part of the Akragas coin below, apparently on a sprue. Would this be a genuine cast coin, and would the filing have been done during the minting process? Or do the members think this coin to be a fake?

Thanks, Jim

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 Posted 06/27/2020  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Would this be a genuine cast coin, and would the filing have been done during the minting process?


I believe the sprue resulted from the casting of the planchet (the blank) prior to the striking. The filing would have just been some cosmetic work after the strike.
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I have a Ptolemaic bronze where the edges show a tapered rasping (on both sides) that seem to indicate some mint worker was taking some extra time to make the coin look good
I believe it to be quite genuine and it actually has a great obverse and reverse
But with the markings it does give a collector something to pause and think about
Long story short ........
It was discounted in price a bit since technically it is an imperfection
But genuine is genuine
Even if not perfect

It appears yours is pretty small
It may actually be just a bit of slag that got rasped off the edge
I believe these flans were cast in open molds
The 'sprue' likely would have been larger
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Thank you both for the replies. The fact that the vendor has made no attempt to conceal the filing made me believe that the coin is genuine. However, with my limited experience there was that nagging doubt. It is nice to get the opinion of very experienced members, and the confidence that comes with it.

Thank you, Jim
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 Posted 06/27/2020  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a nice example, completely kosher, with sprues evident:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=749267
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Thanks again Bob. That is a beautiful coin.

I've learned a lot since joining this community, but there is a long way to go yet.

Jim
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