Need Help Identifying 1587 Trade Token/Counter | Dutch Jeton

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aliceactor New Member United States 2 Posts	Posted 11/15/2008 2:55 pm I just bought this token/counter and don't have any information on it. I believe it depicts a Spaniard, a Native American Indian, and a skeleton with a shield. Does anyone have any information (or educated guesses) on what this is or where it is from? Thanks! Image: 1587-TradeCounter-SpaniardIndianSkeleton-1.jpg 44.51 KB Image: 1587-TradeCounter-SpaniardIndianSkeleton-2.jpg 44.32 KB Edited by Sap 11/20/2008 02:52 am Report this Post to the Staff

wetglaswegian Member United States 917 Posts	Posted 11/15/2008 5:12 pm Wow..thats unusual , the spanish were in florida around 1565 , St Augustine they landed and founded. Might be a start ..might be a bum steer..dunno but I like it Report this Post to the Staff
Archraz Pillar of the Community United States 3499 Posts	Posted 11/15/2008 9:59 pm WOW that is really cool! Good find. I really hope that we find out what this is because I truly am quite intrigued. Edited by Archraz 11/15/2008 10:05 pm Report this Post to the Staff
MrCanada Pillar of the Community Canada 650 Posts	Posted 11/15/2008 10:53 pm Do you know what the inscription translates to ? It is very interesting piece. The scene with the native and the skeleton is interesting ,it looks like the native is trading with the devil. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16810 Posts	Posted 11/16/2008 01:11 am Quote: Do you know what the inscription translates to ? On the obverse (the side with the three figures) the Latin legend "multa sunt mala impiorum" appears, which I would translate as "many are the evils of the impious". I found this one for sale, in better condition, and you can clearly make out all three figures; the central guy is in a Pilgrim-style hat, and the fellow on the left side clearly isn't a native American. On the other side, the legend is largely missing; the inscription "dabitur" is Latin for "gift" or "be given to", and presumably refers to the cornucopia pictured on this side. A bit of Google searching came up with this reference in a Google Book, an old 1800's German token catalogue. It says the Latin reverse inscription is "qui dno fidit bonitate eius circum", which translates to something like "How the Lord relies on the kindness of all around". It also describes the obverse scene as: "in the middle stands a Dutchman in a large hat holding his hands together, on his right sits an old haggard person, on his left a skeleton sits among armour and shields". I assume the moral of this token is, "truly pious people would use their money to feed the hungry, not make war". Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
aliceactor New Member United States 2 Posts	Posted 11/16/2008 01:42 am Thanks for all the interest and incredible research. I translated the information from the listing that "Sap" provided (of the coin in better condition). It reads: "A Spaniard standing upright between the famine and death, a skeleton. Many are the evils of the irreligious people. That which has faith in our lord will be surrounded by its kindness. epigraph. It will be given." Report this Post to the Staff
TreasHunt Pillar of the Community United States 2540 Posts	Posted 11/19/2008 09:23 am sap: Wow, thanks for the research. Report this Post to the Staff
Archraz Pillar of the Community United States 3499 Posts	Posted 11/19/2008 3:01 pm Maybe I missed this, but do we have any guesses where this may have been minted? Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16810 Posts	Posted 11/20/2008 02:42 am The book I linked to earlier has them listed under "Holland". Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
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