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When Should A New Largest Denomination Be Issued

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In 2013 Iceland issued a 10,000ISK banknote, the largest since 1986 when the 5,000ISK banknote was first issued. At the time the cumulative value of 5,000ISK banknotes was 87% of the total value of all Icelandic banknotes, and in their press release, they implied that most central banks felt that when the highest denomination banknote surpassed 80% of the total value, a new denomination was in order.

Today the 10,000ISK ~ £57.76 banknote is 60% of the total value of all banknotes in Iceland.
In comparison, the £50 banknote is 25% of the total value of all banknotes in the United Kingdom.
As another comparison 10,000ISK ~ CAD$99.22, and the Canadian $100 is 56.7% of the total value of all banknotes in Canada ( a value nearly identical to Iceland).

Some Icelanders want to return to the 5,000ISK~$37 as the top denomination since they feel that the large denomination encourages illegal activity. Counterfeits are more of a problem with the larger denomination.

Iceland was the first country to go nearly cashless in the 1980s (mostly because of severe inflation). The central bank began printing cash again when all the Icelandic commercial banks failed in the recession of 2007-2008.

What is your opinion? When should a country issue a new higher denomination banknote?
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I don't have an opinion on Icelandic banknotes and would recommend the thread being moved here; http://goccf.com/f/9
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10,000 Japanese Yen equals 12,810 Icelandic Krσna
500 Mexican Pesos equals $22.68 United States Dollar

The question was not specifically about Icelandic banknotes, but about when a nation should introduce a new highest denomination banknote. Some people believe that introducing higher-value banknotes encourages inflation and contributes to the underground economy and creates a greater temptation to counterfeit notes.

Well over 90% of the banknotes in Japan are of the 10,000JPY ~$95 denomination. With so many in circulation, should they introduce a 50,000JPY banknotes worth $475?

With the 500 peso note worth only slightly more than the US$20 banknote, the government is trying to introduce a 1000 peso banknote.

In the US the $100 banknote is roughly 82% of the value of all the banknotes together. That percentage increases every year. When is it time for a $200 banknote (like the Euro Area has a €200 note)?

Sweden has effectively made 500SEK~$57 its highest functioning denomination. They still issue a 1000SEK banknote, but in such tiny quantities that hardly anyone ever sees one. While many nations have terminated ultra high value banknotes, Sweden is the first one to effectively terminate a mid level banknote (worth $114).
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Creating new high-denomination banknotes is not a cause of inflation, it is a symptom of inflation, an indicator that the government recognizes that inflation has already happened and the monetary system needs to adjust to the new reality.

It may have had a more causal nature back in the days when all money had to have a physical existence. Post-WWI Germany and post-WWII Hungary being the two lead examples that come to mind. But in this modern age of electronic money, only a tiny fraction of the money in existence has physical form. Which denomination those physical forms take is largely irrelevant.

As for "when it should happen", the continued electronization of the global monetary system has derailed the old progression, where small-denomination coins become obsolete, small-denomination notes turn into coins, and new high-denomination notes get introduced, thus keeping the general number of coins and notes more or less constant. With fewer and fewer non-criminal transactions being conducted with high-value notes, the need for high-value notes in commerce is greatly reduced and governments worldwide are trending to elimination rather than addition. For most of the last two decades, the answer to the question "which are the highest-value banknotes in common circulation" is directly correlated to "which banknotes are the local ATMs designed to dispense". But in the next decade, we will continue to see ATMs shut down and withdrawn as fewer and fewer people request cash.
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What is your opinion? When should a country issue a new higher denomination banknote?


I have lived it myself ......

When you need a whole suitcase in order to put all your minimum wage salary (hundred of bank notes) inside ..... when you need $5,000 to buy a piece of bread ... the moment has arrive to print out bigger amounts.
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For most of the last two decades, the answer to the question "which are the highest-value banknotes in common circulation" is directly correlated to "which banknotes are the local ATMs designed to dispense". But in the next decade, we will continue to see ATMs shut down and withdrawn as fewer and fewer people request cash.


Perhaps fewer people are requesting cash, but outside of Scandinavia and India, I defy you to show me a statistic from any country where the stock of cash is growing smaller in their own currency (not relative to the USD). Dramatic changes in exchange rate can drop the value of the cash relative to the USD.
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Well back in the day the £50 was released you could get two weeks shopping for a family of four with one... now it won't fill your car up with petrol. Personally I think we needed a £100 20 years back.
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Well back in the day the £50 was released you could get two weeks shopping for a family of four with one... now it won't fill your car up with petrol. Personally I think we needed a £100 20 years back.


Worth of £50 in USD on its issue date
Series A-C did not include £50
Series D 20 Mar 1981 $113.15
Series E 20 Apr 1994 $74.29
Series F 2 Nov 2011 $79.87
Today's X 28 Jul 2020 $64.61 or €55

Britain is so conservative with large denominations compared to Euro Area. The US is circulating 82% of its banknotes (by value) in the $100 denomination, while Britain is circulating 25% of its banknotes (by value) in the £50 denomination.

The Bank of England took five years to announce the polymer £50 after they announced the polymer £5, £10, and £20. I was almost convinced that they were just going to retire the denomination.

Britain did not use to be alone. At least 9 of the EU currencies before the EURO did not have high value banknotes.
€76.22 : 500 French franc
€60.10 : 10,000 Spanish peseta
€51.65 : 100,000 Italian lira (prior to 1996)
€49.88 : 10,000 Portuguese escudo
€46.59 : 20 Maltese lira
€41.73 : 10,000 Slovenian tolar
€34.17 : 20 Cypriot pound
€31.96 : 500 Estonian kroon
€29.35 : 10,000 Greek drachma
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