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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Whoa, looks like a really deceptive piece. Your shop should absolutely offer a full refund.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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With hindsight, I can see some reasons why it was declared counterfeit, but I must admit: I may have been fooled with this one myself.
Did PCGS say why it was counterfeit?
Strange detail above the '1' (rev)
No wear on the face but weak definition (2nd generation copy?), but no luster, either.
Evidence of double imaging, especially on legend (obv), and bottom of the wreath (rev).
Is the weight correct?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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There are virtually no discrepancies from a genuine piece that would indicate a counterfeit, but the overall softness and the multiple pits on the obverse suggest perhaps a cast counterfeit. Agree that a weight would be the easiest way to confirm that it's not authentic.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Counterfeit as in a Chinese copy on a gold/copper planchet, or a counterfeit as in gold plated base metal?
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
If it is copper core gold plated and of the correct weight and diameter, it would have to be more than double the thickness.
Assuming counterfeit as PCGS has indicated, I suspect that it is in good gold, or tungsten cored gold covered, and die struck.
The Chinese also do high pressure centrifugal die cast as well.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Tungsten is very brittle. It would be a major feat to strike a coin like that.
A simple ping test would probably tell you all you need to know.
Edited by NumisEd
11/21/2020 12:46 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Tungsten has indeed been used in the manufacture PAMP and Perth Mint struck proof finish fake gold bars. Tungsten is used for the core of APDS anti tank vs tank ammunition. In this case though, I favor the possibility that the OP's coin (with hindsight) is a jeweler's copy in good gold. Edited by sel_69l
11/21/2020 8:01 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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What does it weigh? What are the diameter and thickness? It does appear to be a good counterfeit (no pun intended). If it proves to be a contemporary gold counterfeit from the 19th century then it might be worth the $300 you paid. If it's not gold then the value is, of course, minimal.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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It actually had good luster, the coins haven't been received yet so I can't weigh it. They have had my coins for over 2 months, on a regular submission (2 months, and 8 days in fact) PCGS is being super slow, pretty annoyed at this point.
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