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Is The Panther Nursing Young On This Gallienus?

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(OK I don't mean if you see young, just her lower chest seems to be that of a nursing mother with milk? Or maybe I have not seen a lot of panthers. Still odd for the artist to choose unless it symbolizes something.)

Gallienus Antoninianus Rome, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust r. R/
Panther standing l.; B. RIC V 230; RSC 586.
23.5 mm, 3.92 grams


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OK I am noticing all kinds of things tonight. Anyone ever notice the wreath on the shewolf's back before? I see it above a lot with the stars.

So if a wreath is given for an achievement then it makes sense to give Rome a wreath on a commemorative coin, but maybe there was just no room on the small coin with the stars to put the wreath up there or maybe someone is giving a shout out to the she wolf for her taking care of the founders of Rome! After the guys were abandoned she could have just ate them with the pack and where would be be today huh?


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Follis Alexandria, 333-335 AD.
VRBS ROMA Helmeted and mantled bust of Roma to left. Rev. SMALA She-wolf
standing left, suckling Romulus and Remus; above, two eight-pointed stars.
RIC 63. Commemorative Series, 17.5 mm, 2.64 grams
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I have no idea about the symbolism but, wow, that sure is a nice follis. The wolf and twins have held up well through the centuries. Obverse is great too.
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Their isn't really a cat called a "panther", There is a mythical creature called a panther that was described smelling sweet and attracting all the small animals. It could only conceive once.

Panthera is a Genus that includes Lions, tigers, leopards, and jauguars. Rome would have included all but jauguars.
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Their isn't really a cat called a "panther"... Panthera is a Genus that includes Lions, tigers, leopards, and jauguars.

Not so fast. Let's give due props to the Florida "panther", Florida's official state animal! They are endangered but not (yet) extinct. Curiously, they do not belong to genus Panthera but to genus Felis. And of course, their range never included Rome.
https://dos.myflorida.com/florida-f...tate-animal/

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Not so fast. Let's give due props to the Florida "panther
Except I don't believe it is recognized as an official subspecies anymore, Though they are cool cats. You also could call a melanistic leopard a "panther" and not be totally wrong.


Both North and South American cougars belong to the family Felidae and the genus Puma. Felidae includes all cats. Felis is the genus for small housecat-like cats, but it is also the "type genus" for Felidae.
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OK apparently this is a leopard or cheetah from the quotation below. (From: "The Roman Ethnozoological Tradition: Identifying Exotic Animals in Pliny's Natural History in Pliny's Natural History Benjamin Moser The University of Western Ontario")

-->"For an analysis on the identification and understanding of exotic animals in the Natural History, I have chosen to focus my attention on only two case studies. I realize that my reader may desire that I should cover more animals not only for a broader scope of information, but even for interest's sake. However, like Pliny's Natural History, the more inclusive the text, the less detailed the study can be. Furthermore, I have observed that previous studies on animals in the ancient world, although often exhaustive, frequently address the more obscure animals inadequately. That is not to say that there have not been some remarkably well-thought out advancements in Roman ethnozoology. I have also tried to be as explicit as possible, particularly in my discussion on the identification of these exotic animals from a modern taxonomic perspective, so that those after me can clearly see where I have been successful or where I have made my own mistakes and oversights. Too often I have seen a claim to an animal's identification be made with very little support or recognition of the ancient perspective. With that being said, the third chapter is devoted entirely to the relationship between the terms pardus and panthera. Pliny says that the pardus is a male panthera. With support from my study on the meaning and use of genus, I explore Pliny's use of both pardus and panthera in the Natural History to validate his claim. This identification is then supported through an analysis of its other literary appearances: I trace the history of the words from their first appearances in Greek extant literature -Herodotus and Homer respectively - through Aristotle to Cicero, Pliny and Aelian. Alongside a look into artistic representations of spotted cats in Greek,Roman, and Egyptian art, this inquiry reveals that the Romans prefer to translate the Greek word pardalis with the Latin panthera and not pardus; an evolution of the words appearsto have been taking place in Pliny's time, eventually arriving at leopardus a couple of centuries later. I address the issue of the identification of which animal(s) these names represent from a modern viewpoint: Otto Keller and Helmut Leitner suggest that the names originate from the various leopard subspecies; Toynbee and Ann Ashmead consider the two names to represent the cheetah and leopard specifically. Nevertheless, I argue from Pliny's perspective that the two names indeed represent the same animal which includes non-exclusively any large, spotted cat, including both the cheetah and leopard."<--
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Interesting, the cheetahs were somewhat domesticated in Egypt, kept as pets and trained as hunting animals. I like how this one was drawn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North...nt_Egypt.jpg

We hand not arrived at Diogenes and "Behold, a man!" yet though so I suppose the confusion is understandable.
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The coin is dedicated to the god Liber Pater (Bacchus/ Dionysus). In mythology, this god is associated with a legendary cat-like creature called the "panther". So it is indeed a "panther", whatever the Greeks and Romans may have imagined the panther to be! The markings on the mythical panther suggest a cultural memory of the leopard, or perhaps the cheetah or even the tiger. The etymology of the word is Greek, from παν "all" + θηριο "beast". In any event, "panther" is the correct term numismatically to describe the reverse type and getting back to the original question, yes, she is clearly nursing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panth...ry_creature)
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I had seen that picture but I didn't realize it was that old. If it is indeed the mythical panther, it could only bear children once, so maybe that has something to do with the nursing.
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