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Valued Member
France
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Hi all, Would you have douts or concerns about the authenticity of this sater from Thasos? Thank you for your help!   |
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Moderator
 United States
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I can't say one way or the other, though the style ad detail look correct and it doesn't look cast. It is listed in Sear as #1747.
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Valued Member
 France
322 Posts |
Thank you Echizento. I hope that I will collect a few more reactions.
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Valued Member
France
322 Posts |
Actually it is a coin that I consider purchasing on ebay. This is why your comments matter ! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6130 Posts |
I can't prove it's fake, but it doesn't sit well with me. Specifically, the satyr's face doesn't look right - the other examples have him as the spitting image of Socrates, this one seems "off". Also the arms and legs are lacking the sense of depth that the other examples have. I'm naturally suspicious of Greek silver on ebay, so I hope this is just unfounded paranoia on my part. |
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Valued Member
France
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Thanks Finn. I wonder what the others think
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Valued Member
Germany
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Hi! And what about its weight? I bet it will be correct, but you can also check that just to be sure. I agree with Echizento. To me it definitely looks hammered (or pressed). Stylistically it looks right to me. There are many different dies with LOTS of slight variations for this issue. At least at a first glance it looks ok to my limited knowledge, but I do not own one of these coins nor have I studied them. Here I can provide a similar specimen auctioned in Germany:  Here below compared to yours... what do you think? Match perhaps?  If interested, you can always ask the seller for provenance. Maybe he/she is able to point you out to some reliable or verifiable source! Also, edge pictures might provide more evidence. Best of luck with it! Edited by DirtyHarry
08/19/2020 4:25 pm
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Valued Member
France
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Thank you Dirty Harry! Yes I know this type and it is one of the reasons that give me some trust... I cannot really decide... What seems to me beyond doubt is that if it is a fake it is really a hight quality one ! Especially in comparison with other fakes... I Must have it in hands to have a better opinion
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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...Huh. To my non-expert eyes, it's almost a match, but the nymph is missing her headgear.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I wonder if the headgear is just off-flan, like her feet. I, too have looked hard for differences that are not just due to a differemnt state of wear, and do not see much ... maybe her garments between knee and feet are slightly different? Also, nobody has mentioned those rough areas below the satyr's left thigh, and around the beard. The reference photos are very clean in those areas. I know nothing about ancients, so maybe nothing to worry about  Edited by tdziemia
08/20/2020 09:21 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Don't know much about ancient Greek coinage, but from cleaning many authentic silver, the deposits look convincing (at least in the photos). Quote:
.. what do you think? Match perhaps? At first glance, I would say no, but the more I look ... It may well be a match  |
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Valued Member
Germany
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Well, some details do differ. But the overall angles, proportions and spacing of both figures in both coins match, at least to my eyes, almost perfectly. To me... both dies are definitely related somehow, even if the coins are authentic or not. If both coins are genuine, they might well have been minted with the same die, although re-engraved/retooled. Quote:
I Must have it in hands to have a better opinion  I donīt know its location, seller, price, or anything, so take my words with a grain of salt, but it may be worth it. At a first glance, the coin looks nice to me. Edited by DirtyHarry
08/20/2020 11:58 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The difference in the head of the nymph on the two coins above could easily be the result of touching up a defective mold. In recent months I have noticed a number (too many!) of these on ebay, both early and late types. Caveat emptor! Edited by Kushanshah
08/21/2020 04:07 am
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Valued Member
France
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Thank you for all your comments. I will buy it and then ask for more expertise. There is an insurance on ebay anyway, so I don't take a big risk... I 'll keep you updated! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There are too many points of similarity for it not to be a match That alone raises some alarums ! Personally ...... Even if I had the spare change I wouldn't touch this one Unless it is being offered by one of a mere handful of major sellers who use ebay for a clearinghouse People whose name ends in z or others like that You are taking a very big gamble Genuine coins like this are out of place on ebay Sort of a child's game Which of these does not belong ? If you want to buy the Maserati you should go to the Maserati Dealer Not to "Tony's" Discount Used Auto |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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FVRIVS - you speak wisdom.  |
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