1970 D LMC DDO-009 Pretty Tough One To Find.

It looks plausible, but I just find this type of DDO so hard to accurately ID on coins as worn as this one.

Edit: The W in WE doesn't look thick enough to me, and I don't see a notch on the back corner of the L in LIBERTY. Mintmark position looks off too.

Since I'm still learning what the different types of DDO look like, I have a question about this.

Could someone please explain or show me where it's doubled at? I don't see two of anything and it doesn't look thicker? The only difference I can make out, is a slight shine around LIBE in Liberty, except that part looks flat against the coin.

I've posted coins with that type of shine and everyone says it's just MD, whats the difference? I've already seen a lot of the DDO pictures posted in other threads.

I mean, unless I've been tossing a few DDO coins into the pile thinking they were just more MD, since they basically look like the coin posted above.

I'm sure I will notice the subtle differences easier as I learn more on here, coppercoins, Wexler's and varietyvista.

Edit - Before I came to this site, all I knew about doubling was the 1955 Lincoln Cent.

Guys, y'all are right. It is not the DDO-009, it's the DDO-001. I located the die gouge under LIBERTY. Regardless, it's a special cent found on a special day for me. My grandson was born yesterday! And this cent will go to him.

Jim0815,
Big congrats on your new addition,your grandson not the coin ...heck the coin to
John1

Jim, I'm seeing DDO-007, not DDO-001. Typo?

Grelko,

This is a really tough coin to learn from, but maybe that is in some ways helpful. It appears to be DDO-007 in a fairly late stage and pretty much takes someone with Jim's experience to see it in the first place.

It is class I doubling, a rotational DDO. This makes some devices thicker (although in the earliest stages separation lines can barely be seen). How you first see these is merely by looking at a lot of coins from a particular year and then seeing that things are thicker on this one. That can just be from an older die, so you put it under the scope to get a better look. This type of thickness generall shows up in the parts of devices that are perpendicular to the rim as they will more easily show the thickness due to the rotation. The horizontal bar of the L in LIBERTY is quite thick, but other places across IN GOD WE TRUST show it too. I generally first see these by looking at the thickness of the U in TRUST. A class I DDO will have thicker vertical bars (a class VI DDO will have a thicker lower curve). Another detail to look at to see these things is the inside of the D in GOD, which will be smaller on a DDO as the thicker vertical parts reduce the inside area.

Honestly this is a really tough one for even the best of us to see in hand, and harder still with photographs. I hope this helps a bit, but certainly easier ones out there so don't get discouraged. Post a lot of coins and you WILL start to find them and learn how to see it. They are out there.

Interesting, I thought it was the 002 but in an earlier stage, since everything looks like it matched up. Except that the bar above the 7 wouldn't show up until after the die was used many times and tiny pieces wore off creating that small space.


I took a few minutes to look at that 007 over at VV.

Here's what I saw that matched up.

Missing part on the bottom of both the I and N
Small piece coming off the bottoms of the G and O
The top right of the D is pointed, while the bottom left is missing
The bottom of the E looks broken
Bottom of the S is missing, left side is square, top right is thin and pointed.
I couldn't confirm the die gouge, since I can't see it in the picture.

Except that on the 007, the space between the eye and cheekbone is straight down, instead of slightly curved like the one Jim0815 posted. That depends on the stage of course.


The main parts of 001 that matched, were the 0 in the date and U in Trust.
In 009, the mintmark is a tiny bit farther to the left and the bottom of the U in Trust is too thick.


Overall, I'd have to agree with you that it's the 007.


Also, the mintmark looks like ( 1970-D 1¢ WDDO-011 ) over at Wexler's, because of that piece coming off the top of it. Even the shine around LIBE looks the same, except there's no die gouge from the L to the rim.



I'm extremely good at matching patterns, I just get frustrated spending 10 minutes on 1 coin and end up tossing it into the pile...


Edit - I almost forgot because I was rambling on again. Thank you very much for explaining that in great detail for me Tropicalbats.

Perhaps WDDO-021?

That's why I agreed with you guys that it was the 007. On the 002, I thought the bottom bar on the L, the n/s bar on the T and the left side of the Y in Liberty, might have been doubled also since they look slightly thicker. That would be why I'm still reading, learning and looking at pictures of all the subtle differences.