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1928 D 1c Improper Alloy Ratio?

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 Posted 09/05/2020  8:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Brass like with some woody characteristics but overall not a woody I think. Weight is normal. Extra zinc and less copper in the mix? Thanks for looking!




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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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09/05/2020 9:35 pm
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 Posted 09/05/2020  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is no Brass in a Lincoln Cent . I believe that the coin turned that color from whatever environment it was in .
Your photos do not capture a good feel of the color that you claim .
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To clarify - brass is an alloy of copper and zinc in the approximate ratio of 66% copper to 34% zinc, so it is not comparable to the composition of a Lincoln Cent of this era with a ratio of 95% copper to 5% zinc and traces of tin.

This coin's color is a bit unusual, but not well within the vast array of commonly-seen examples.
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 Posted 09/05/2020  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks T-Bop & Coinfrog. I removed that first photo and added some clearer ones.

As far as my "brass like" description, I saw a resemblance to a Error-Ref.com description under "Improper Alloy Mix" Planchet Errors.


"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Yellowish colour is most likely from environmental tarnishing/toning.
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I agree with environmental tarnishing, it does not look like the true color of this coin was captured in those images, under the right lighting and with more accurate color this coin will show more copper color.
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Based on the fact that the devices that have been effected are flattened, you can assume it was environmental damage that caused this.
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Thanks for the responses.

Yes, I don't have the best photo set up but I'm a little surprised by the consensus here. The first photo I included of the reverse is under 100% sunlight. The other photos are under the scope light and to me show a clear embedded mix anomaly. The close up of "WE" and the rim seems to show clearly different coloration flows within the planchet. The photo of just the outside of the rim shows this speckling mix in the rim as well.

http://www.error-ref.com/improper-alloy-mix/
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Zinc has about 20% less density than copper, so an alloy with more zinc and less copper would weigh less than one with more copper and less zinc.

Since your coin has a normal weight I don't think it's coloration can be attributed to an increase in zinc over copper in the alloy, assuming the physical dimensions (diameter & thickness) of the coin are normal as well.

It's possible that the mixing of the metals in the alloy is the error, per the link supplied, but I'll leave that determination to better minds than mine.

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Thanks for the feedback HGK3.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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