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My Grandfather accumulated banknotes. He didn't actually collect them, he accumulated them. One of my dad's cousins (my grandfather's nephew) was a Doctor of Agriculture, working for the Rockefeller Foundation. He was constantly on the go, flying here, flying there, all over the world.

Whenever he went to a different country, he would send my Grandfather a postcard, and would also pick up a piece of the local currency to bring him.

One day, my Grandfather showed me his accumulation. I already collected stamps, but when I saw these banknotes, I decided then and there that they would be something else nice to collect.

On our next trip to Winnipeg (at the time, we lived four hours away), I discovered that one of the downtown department stores actually had a Stamp and Coin department, and I was checking it out when I saw these packages of 10 foreign notes for $3.98. I bought five different assortments, and voila!, instant collection.

Over time, I added to my collection, enrolling in an approval service from a dealer in Toronto named Duhamel. One of the notes I bought from him was this Five Sucres note from Ecuador:



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My Grandfather and I would give each other our duplicates whenever we had any. My collection got bigger and bigger, as I identified different sources of notes. I bought notes that I had seen copies of in his collection when I found them for sale, and many others.

After my Grandfather's death, my Grandmother gave me my Grandfather's collection, because she knew that I would appreciate it and take care of it. I knew there would be some duplication because I had given him some of the notes and vice versa, but I figured that that was okay because this way I could display both sides, using the duplicate notes.

As I have mentioned, one of the notes he had that I remembered and later bought from a dealer was an Ecudorian Five Sucres note. This is the one he had:


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I was comparing the signatures and dates on the duplicate notes to see whether they actually were the same, when I realized something -- they were both in sequence.

Now what were the chances of that ever happening?

Two notes -- one he got from his nephew who got it in Ecuador, one I bought four or so years later from a dealer in Toronto -- both in sequence, with the same series number...now how strange is that?


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 Posted 11/25/2008  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jays-Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Though this is possible, I feel a little hesitant to really believe it. I teach statistics and I have some understanding of probability. Both notes look crisp, which is the way almost all pairs of sequential bills come because just about the only way to get sequential serials is to pull them from circulation when they are brand new and still together. Once the bills go their separate ways, they usually do not find each other again. Based on your story, I'd guess these bills were purchased together by you or your grandfather and split up, only to be reunited now. From a probabilistic point of view, faulty memory is the far more likely explanation.
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 Posted 11/25/2008  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can understand why you would say that, but the facts are as follows:

(1) My dad's cousin would only send one note to my grandfather from wherever he was.
(2) The approval dealer I bought the note from only sent out singles.
(3) I can remember clearly buying the note out of an approval selection, and there wasn't another one stuck to the back of it. If this had been the case, like any larcenous teenager, I would have probably kept the "extra" note and sent back one copy, in effect, getting the note for free.

I realize that this is one of those "zillion to one" things, but I swear to God, it's true.


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 Posted 11/25/2008  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No swearing

Great story

My favourite story about Statistics is the Textbook we used in college.
called statistics and how to make them lie..

The value of those two notes may not be much in common currency but the story with the two notes together
Priceless!

enjoy keeping them.
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 Posted 11/26/2008  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is an amazing story. Thanks for sharing it.
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While I tend to be an analytical guy with a scientific bent, I still find my world is full of statistical anomalies and "happy occurrences". I'm of the opinion that the world is less purely mechanistic than at first glance, and there's an underlying purpose behind such events. In other words--great story, and I'm going to believe it.
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If mixed up or memory is not at fault then you're a very lucky man
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I don't doubt that these two notes came from each of your collections. I have a hunch about this, but it didn't really happen the way you think it did.....

Your dad's cousin was not a Doctor of Ag. He did not work for Rockefeller. He was a secret government agent. He was in charge of counter-intellegence and assigned to a suspected KGB agent stationed in Toronto. He couldn't live in the same city as his assignment for the safety of his family. Every week before he left Toronto to return home, he would stop by Mr. Duhamel's shop (who in addition to running a retail store, was under contract wtih the governemnt to supply "special items"), purchase a foreign bill and a foreign stamp. He would write a postcard and place the stamp on it, drop it in your grandfather's mail box on his way home from the airport. The next day he would stop by your grandfathers to deliver the note. And confirm that your grandfather received his postcard.

Up until your grandfathers death, close examination of the two collections would have revealed many more duplicate uncirculated notes that are either sequential or very near to sequential. Except for the fact that when your fathers cousin retired from his position, he had to report the whereabouts of all property he aquired while on assignment. Once the government found out there was such a high concentration of evidence in one location, they dispatched a team of agents, to break into your grandfathers house and replace all of the notes with ones that could not be traced back to Duhamel. Unfortunatly for them, your grandfather just happened to have had this note in his wallet as he was going to show it to you that weekend. Thus all other notes were replaced, but this one.

If I were you, I would delete this post, and never make reference to the fact that you have two of Duhamel's notes again. I fear you've already put your self in danger just by posting these two scans.

....just a hunch.
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Thanks. It's been awhile since I sprayed Coke all over my computer screen.
Rest in Peace
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Doesn't everything look clean and spiffy, now?
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Hopefully the Coke didn't get all over the notes. Great story and something I'm sure that you'll treasure for the rest of you life.
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