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St Gaudens Double Eagle - Fake?

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 Posted 09/17/2020  04:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure if it works in Germany, but if you are an ANA member let NGC know this, ANA members are allowed to do direct submissions without needing to join their collectors club for an additional fee. At least that is true in the United States, as they are the ANA Official Grading Company. Might save you some serious money on a single submission.

https://www.NGCcoin.com/ana-welcome/

Best to contact them first to see if the ANA deal applies to German submissions.
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Today, I've been reading a lot about detecting st gaudens fakes, and then I've studied the coin using x8 magnifying glasses. I found a few spots that are a somewhat suspicious: weak edge lettering (especially the word pluribus, as you can see in the video), potential toolmarks etc....

I'm looking forward to hearing your opinions!

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 Posted 09/17/2020  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weakness at the edges of devices is very common on gold pieces, purely due to the soft nature of the metal itself. Without a doubt your coin is genuine.
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ok that's nice to hear, but what about the damage between the e and r in liberty? (seconds 16-22 of the video). I have not seen something like that on any other st gaudens double eagle
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Here is a quick photo from the old 1980's ANA Counterfeit Detection book used at the Summer Seminars.

1924 St. Gaudens Genuine:

St-Gaudens-Double-Eagle---Fake?

Not all genuine 1924 have this but those that do are probably real.

Stgaudens I can send you a pdf paper on the 1924 showing color photos of known counterfeit die markers, but you have email turned off, send me an email and I will happily shoot you a copy ASAP. Has some good pick up points to check easily for the common counterfeit 1924.
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@westcoin: I can't send you an email because I'm a new member, but you can now send me an email as I've changed the settings
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 Posted 04/29/2021  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 829729742 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like a fake, I don't see any edge lettering
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 Posted 04/29/2021  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
829729,

It has the edge lettering. Don't throw out the "fake" accusation so easily. This coin is genuine.
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 Posted 04/30/2021  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 829729742 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh I see there is edge lettering, just very worn
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And I am not 829729
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Looks authentic and brilliant uncirculated. Check the weight if you have any doubts on authenticity. Should be 33.43g. The only reason someone would fake that date is if it were a different metal.
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The surface preservation and cartwheel luster are superb! Hard to grade from just a video but my guess is better than 65. Naturally assuming the weight and measurements are correct. That is one beautiful coin!
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