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Jefferson Nickel Struck Onto Wheat Penny

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Jefferson-Nickel-Struck-Onto-Wheat-Penny How much is this worth and what errors occurred? It was in a fake leather pouch so it had a lot of pvc damage. I had to clean it a bit to remove the pvc.
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We cannot see your images well enough to help answer your questions. Any chance of larger sharp photos? thanks

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No clue how this could have happened. I don't know very much about error coins so it would be nice if someone could tell me the errors made and the value of the coin. The photos are all of the same coin, but at different angles.
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I have some questions about this coin, but need better images to help clear things up. Please post individual images, not a collage. The better the images the more that can be identified.
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These shots are better.

The overall appearance of the coin indicates this is a vise soft die job. There seems to be too much flattening of all of the devices. If it were a nickel struck over a cent, you would expect the image of Jefferson and the Monticello to be higher relief with less damage. Also the alignment of the nickel's obverse to reverse isn't correct.

I think looks to be a Lincoln Cent that was pressed between two different Jefferson nickels soft dies in an attempt to mimic an error coin.

@spruett001 I have no idea why I didn't say that it looked like soft dies. I thought it, but just went with the vise idea. My mistake!
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I thought about a vise job but the Jefferson head and Monticello are not indentations. It must have been struck by a die or put into a vise with a die.
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Oh and I forgot to include this is from my great grandfathers collection. He collected from 1950-1991.
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I was trying to see, in photo # one, and # two, a reversing of the the letters, related to the Jefferson image. vise jobs, will show the letters going backwards, it"s hard to tell, from what I can see....
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I have studied these new photos and have to conclude it looks like a vise job. Now you said yourself "welding" with pvc was involved, and perhaps a nickel stuck on a cent, and somehow pressure was involved resulting in your Frankenstein coin? Who knows.

Bottom line, I cannot see how this was a mint error by any stretch of my imagination. The cleaning you did to remove the pvc may have damaged the coin as well. If you are convinced it was a mint error, you could send it into PCGS to be documented for at least your own peace of mind. Good luck!


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The images of Jefferson and Monticello are correctly oriented (not reversed) and it looks like maybe a 194x nickel was used for the obverse, but I don't see a large mm over Monticello, so a different coin may have been used for the reverse image. Perhaps soft dies were made and used to strike over a Wheatie?
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I've modified my original post above. I don't know why I didn't say soft die to begin with because it was obvious that the obverse of the nickel isn't backwards. I guess I just totally lost my train of thought on this one when I first posted.
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Yeah I'm gonna go with a soft die
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Much larger pics, please.



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Do we have the weight and diameter?
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It weights 3.1 grams but I'm not home to measure diameter
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Mike Diamond needs to take a peek at this one. I feel this is the victim of a soft die due to the fact that the images of the the obverse and reverse of the Jefferson aspect on the coin do not match up as it would on a normal coin.
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