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Restore Date On Standing Liberty Quarter?

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 Posted 12/03/2008  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the recipe as I found it on several metalsmithing/jewelry sites(I have not personally tried it, yet...)-

10ml NH4OH
10ml H2O2
40ml CH3OH
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 Posted 12/03/2008  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just tried ferric nitrate, 1 M on a dateless "S" mintmarked SL quarter. It caused dramatic coin discoloration instantly. After a few minutes I wiped off the solution and looked at the coin and there was no impact on the date area, other than discoloration. The discoloration could be removed by an eraser, so at least it's back to the way it looked before I tried this. Maybe it needs an overnight soak?

Hope to try the ammonium hydroxide method tomorrow. Will post here if anything works!
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 Posted 12/03/2008  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe I'm a little too mercenary in my thinking, but the only SLQs (other than 1927-S) that might have any value IF you were to successfully restore the date are those prior to 1925. I know that the type 1's from 1916 and 1917 have a different reverse from the type 2s, but is there anything that would, as an example, distinguish a dateless 1919 coin from a dateless 1926?
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12/03/2008 6:15 pm
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 Posted 12/03/2008  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gormang to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But I think the interest in this goes way beyond SLQs. I personally have a no date Obv S. Walker and would like to know if it is a 1916 or 1917.
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 Posted 12/04/2008  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have enough knowledge on the SLQs to determine a dateless 25-30 versus pre-25 (the important ones). The vasty majority of the dateless SLQs, however, will most likely be pre-25 because of the poor design.

I tried out the ammonium hydroxide-peroxide method. The ammonium hydroxide-peroxide method didn't do anything but cause discoloration like the ferric nitrate method, so that doesn't work. It, too could be removed by a pencil eraser. RATS! Actually glad though, because ammonium hydroxide is very bad smelling- wouldn't want to be using that stuff routinely to restore dates to silver.

I also have a few dateless Walking halves, in addition to my 40+ dateless SLQs. I hope someday we can come up with a way to restore the dates on these. Could turn worthless buillion into something worth a little more than buillion.
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 Posted 12/04/2008  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This topic has been brought up several times on the forum and I seem to rember two things from the last time this came up that would be helpful. First someone had stated that a great many years ago they had seen on the market a product similar to nicadate for silver coins, secondly another fellow discovered the etchant used in that solution and posted it on the page. I dont remember the name of the etchant but if one looks in the archived posts it should still be there somewhere.
-XoG
ps- I have some slqs and walkers id like to etch as well.
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 Posted 12/06/2008  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I looked back in the archives and found that someone had a product named "Silver Date-Back"
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 Posted 12/29/2008  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Everyone-please be CAREFUL with these chemicals. Ammonium hydroxide is much stronger than household ammonia. 30% hydrogen peroxide will oxidize your skin white and nitric acid will turn your skin yellow.
Also, don't ingest the methyl alcohol-it's not the drinking kind !
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Yes, I agree. These chemicals are very potent and should be handled with caution. Ammonium hydroxide is a very awful smelling chemical. Nitric acid can burn the wood on a table so you should lay some newspapers of clothes down if you work with any of these chemicals. And wear rubber gloves.
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Another problem is you need to know what concentrations to use on the chemicals. Also with the Ammonium Hydroxide you may find yourself having to explain to the police why you want one of the precursers for cooking crystal meth. I'm sure they will buy your explanation that you just want to try and restore some worn off dates to some silver coins.
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12/30/2008 4:18 pm
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I'm just disappointed to find out, after all these years, that I shouldn't be ingesting methyl-alcohol. It goes so well with a cherry and a little ginger ale. I guess I'll switch to paint thinner.
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I'm just disappointed to find out, after all these years, that I shouldn't be ingesting methyl-alcohol.
Chances are that if this were true you would not be able to see any of your beloved coins!
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I didn't know ammonium hydroxide is a precursor for crystal meth. I thought Ammonium nitrate was and this is why when I go to get fertilizer for my garden, they take down my name and number (ammonium nitrate= main ingredient of fertilizer). Or can both be used?
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I didn't know ammonium hydroxide is a precursor for crystal meth.


I believe that Anhydrous Ammonia (NH3) is what is used to make Meth, and being a Kansas farm kid, I know a few (ex)friends that are currently doing a tour in the big house for making it. (not that this makes me an expert) But I think that the only difference is that ammonium hydroxide is simply NH3 that has been dissolved/diluted in water, making it stable at room temp. Unlike Anhydrous that has to be kept pressurized because it has a boiling point of like -20 degrees C.
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I thought Ammonium nitrate was and this is why when I go to get fertilizer for my garden, they take down my name and number

NH4NO3 is one of two ingredients in ANFO, of the most common mining explosives. ANFO is also what brought down the Murrah Federal Bldg in OK City and Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia- that is why they want your pertinent info when you buy fertilizer.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...ves-anfo.htm

Morgannoob is correct, NH3OH is anhydrous dissolved in water. Anhydrous is used in the drug manufacturing process because anhydrous is much more common and readily available due to farming but anhydrous is much more dangerous to handle

With all of that said, unless you have specific training in the handling of hazardous materials and have sturdy PPE available, then you should not play around with these chemicals. If one wants to learn more about processes to etch silver, then I would suggest perusing forums dealing with metalsmithing and jewelry making- those types of people etch different metals all the time and that has been the source of most of my info as well.
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12/30/2008 6:26 pm
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