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Looking For Help With 1953 1$ Varieties

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I am looking at different combination of 1953 dollar's reverses and obverses. There is confusing information in Charlton. A quote from 2016 vol.1 70th edition (verbatim):
"the No Shoulder Fold variety appears with the Wire Edge reverse, the Water Lines reverse of 1950-1952, and the Shoulder Fold obverse with the wide Border reverse".
Besides the confusing punctuation, I have not seen any material variation of the 1950-1952 reverse rims. 1953 NSF *obverse* has a narrow rim and 1953 SF *obverse* has a wide rim.
Did Charlton mean "obverse"? What is "Wide Border" if it is not the rim?
I have noticed that on 1950, 1951, 1952 NL, and 1953 NSF the water lines are almost touching the denticles, while on 1952 FWL and 1953 SF there is a wide gap. Charlton photo shows 1950-51 FWL with a gap as well. I would expect the gap on SWL coins because of polishing, but is there a variety of FWL coins?

Another question is about Full vs Short water lines. The definition is that on FWL "at least one of the four lines touches the canoe". The problem is that with the right light and tilt I can see traces of water lines touching the canoe on all my SWL coins. The lines are not visible on a direct photo. Is there some additional criteria?

Thanks in advance for an expert advice.

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That's a fairly convoluted description alright.
But it's not the punctuation's fault.
You have to turn to the previous page for context.
All 1950-52 reverses have wire rims.
1952 reverses have varieties with waterlines and with no waterlines.
1953 NSF use the same reverse as the 1952 with waterlines, the no waterlines reverse did not continue into 1953.
1953 SF dollars have a modified reverse with waterlines and wider rims.
For most denominations the change to NSF was accompanied by a change to wider flatter rims on both sides, likely to facilitate stacking and prevent premature wear of the devices.

As for FWL vs. SWL.
By definition no line can touch the canoe on SWL coins. There is no tolerance, we have to draw the line somewhere, it can't be a matter of degree.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Thank you, DBM.
I have 1953 NSF and SF both with the same *narrow* rim reverse. The obverse of SF is wide as it should be.
I'll add photos later.
As for FWL/SWL, I bought those SWL coins from reputable dealers. And, as I said, the lines are not visible if you look or take photo at 90 degrees. Only with some tilt I can see the traces. To make it worth, on some of my FWL the lines that touching the canoe are barely more visible than those on SWL.
Thus, it seems that not everybody "draws line" the same way.
For now I have stopped looking for SWL and look only for *true* FWL were all lines *visibly* touch the canoe.
I will add some mix of photos and let people guess which one is FWL and which is SWL.
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