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For reasons I won't get into, I was recently re-looking at this coin, which had been attributed as "Wurzburg Schilling 1684 KM-198 Unlisted date" when I bought it some years ago. As I did a bit more research, I convinced myself that it is actually a 1694, but with two variants, one common, and one much less common. First, if you look at Numista, you will see that it specifies reverse lettering SANCTUS KILIANUS for 1694 (and most examples that come up on acsearch have this lettering), but my coin is lettered SANCTVS KILIANVS, a common spelling for some other dates.  But more interesting, the quadrants in the coat of arms obverse have been flipped left to right on my coin (normally the mountains are upper left, not upper right). As best I can tell, this variant only occurs in 1694, and only in about 1 out of 10 examples that I could find.  Edited by tdziemia
11/09/2020 12:44 pm
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I agree. Looks like the original attribution of that being an 8 was based on including part of the ribbon. When I blow it up, it looks like the foot of the 9 is missing. Is that consistent across the other examples of this variety that you have found?  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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I can only find one other example, from an auction over 10 years ago, but I welcome any other results from members with better searching skills than mine. It's more sharply struck, and less worn, but the decoration at the base of the coat of arms (scroll, or ribbon) matches mine:  The more common variant has different decoration at the base of the coat of arms down near the date ... as well as the different letterform for the U in Sanctus Kilianus reverse:  Edited by tdziemia
11/09/2020 9:44 pm
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@Gincoin, thanks for the link, which I think is a die match obverse for my coin, with the mushy 9.
When I search MA-shops on Wurzburg 1694 schilling, I get a list of 8 coins, only one of which is this variant, similar to the stats I found on acsearch (shame on me for not thinking to check MA-shops).
Scarcer variant, but not worth any more. Oh well. Best I can tell this type was made in vast quantities, so I guess even the minor variants are not noteworthy.
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11/09/2020 11:09 pm
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They don't have it listed as a variety perhaps they just did realize.
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Scarcer variant, but not worth any more. I wonder if this is an indication of how thinly these are collected. Your All Saints collection aside, I have to imagine that most folks are picking these up for their OFEC or OFEY collection and in both of those cases, either variant would do. I ran into a similar situation with a 15th Century dated coin about which I contacted Levinson as it wasn't listed in his book. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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15th Century dated coin about which I contacted Levinson as it wasn't listed in his book. That's pretty neat, since I imagine MANY eminent numismatists have been all over that field. For the Wurzburg schilling KM#198, a Numista contributor has cataloged reverse variants (design of the saint, and the U versus V in the legend) by date, though none within a date; he or she did not list any obverse variants. And the two places I have seen this variant, it is given the same catalog Helmschrott 454, as the "normal" one. (I have now added this obverse variant in Numista) Out of curiosity, if the die is engraved wrong (as the coat of arms is incorrect), do we call it a variety or an error?  |
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For me, a variety is when one or more of the design elements has been engraved on the die differently (even if it is engaged wrong) whereas an error is when some aspect of the mint's manufacturing process went awry. I'd be happy to be properly educated on the difference if I'm wrong.
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