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Swiss Imitation Or Genoese ?

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Hi All,
I have again a unknown coin in my collection and I think it is from swiss region. A imitation from the 14th/15th century with a castle on it. I looked through italian coins but it does not seem to fit and it has a shield on it which suggest more likeley a swiss imitation.

Does anyone happen to recognize this one?
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Larger, cropped pictures might help immensely, please.
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@vince, I agree this does not appear to be from Genoa. I just took a look through CNI Vol. III, and I don't think that reverse is the Genoa castle. Maybe a monogram based on letter M or H?
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Thank you for your help! It could be indeed something else aswell.

Looking around the monogram (castle) you see some flower design? They does not seem to look like lyrics.

On the obverse you see something like.

I A I A * V L TY?

Not usual description and they also could be something like LVLVLV looking at it.
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Something like IVL... could appear on a coin of Julich Berg, but I do not see anything like this listed in Numista.

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City of Munster. One Heller.
Either MB# 130 ND (16th century) or KM# 330 ND (1700-1740). MB# 130 has a star before the legend.

Neither is in Numista. MB# 130 is only in the Standard Catalog of German Coins.

https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1405938
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Wow, amazing find! You are right. It is perhaps a 1/2 heller looking in mcsearch. How did you find this one?
Ku.-Heller (1/2 Pfennig) o. J. K./M. (German Coins) 130; Peus 23; Weing. 214 a
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Great work @bjh!
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I have a couple of them--in a little better shape than yours but I'm still not positive which type they are.

I stared at your pictures and couldn't remember the issuer, and about eight hours later Munster popped into my mind.

I have no memory of how I identified my coins when I first purchased them.
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