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Anyone Know About This 1909 VDB?

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 Posted 11/21/2020  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well you guys are the experts so I'm inclined to believe what you say. We all know what a hit looks like and what die polishing and abrasion looks like. Looks like possibly both to me. Doesn't look like one hit scratched the vdb out but I could be wrong
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 Posted 11/21/2020  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RW1010, I fully understand what you are saying, but I too have to agree with the hit theory. Blows/hits happen from a wide array of events, and we can't isolate the exact reason. I agree it's post mint damage, but the damage is very minor and you still have a nice coin.


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 Posted 11/21/2020  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks merclover. As mentioned you guys and gals are the experts so I will humbly accept my coins fate. I always value and appreciate everyone's input here
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 Posted 11/22/2020  02:52 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm gonna have to disagree with the others here. While there may be some contact marks in the area, I believe what OP is highlighting is from the die. It looks like Feeder Finger Damage or heavy abrasions that left multiple raised ridges all running in the same direction. I have never seen a "hit" that looked like that.
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 Posted 11/22/2020  03:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks spruett001. I was hoping I wasn't going bonkers from looking at too many coins
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 Posted 11/23/2020  08:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there die damage between the lower left wheat seeds and stem?

There is an area that looks raised and if so, I'm with Spruette about die damage to the edge, where the rim gutter meets the field.
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 Posted 11/23/2020  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks petespockets55. I'm not sure what's there but from what I've been reading there are abraded vdbs. I don't know if this is one of them
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 Posted 11/23/2020  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From this first photo I would say that hit is from abrasion. Maybe the rim gutter got abraded too. My guess would be this is an early attempt to remove the vdb. Lines from the rim go past vdb into the field indicating polishing/abrasion. Everyone is somewhat familiar with the vdb removal story so this is highly probable to be what happened here.
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Took these pics the other day. Is the obverse abraded also? It looks beveled and raised under the we. Lines above and through the we without moved metal. G in God and s in trust look interesting also. There's abrasion on the inside of the rim on top of the rim and outside the rim that doesn't correspond with typical damage. I'll post those and more next. The reverse by the rim is swollen on the right side. Do all these signs point to a new variety? I'm newer to all this but looks legit to me. Let me know what you think. Thanks
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 Posted 02/14/2022  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The rim above we looks thinner than the rest. More abrasions?
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 Posted 02/14/2022  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doing information on the V.D.B. issues with the dots, there were several examples that had the dots disturbed. So that doesn't surprise me. This could have been done by counting machines when counting cents. But it was damaged after the strike.
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Thanks coop. I respectively disagree. Counting machine would not cause the die to swell. Look at the obverse pics. It looks beveled at the we. Any post strike damage would be seen on the we. I'm working on more pics
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 Posted 02/14/2022  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Here you can see verticle abrasions to the right of vdb. At least that's what it appears to look like to me
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 Posted 02/14/2022  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought this might be a die wear and striking issue.
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 Posted 02/14/2022  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Note also that the 'WE' on the opposite side of the coin is also affected?
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If the weight is under a little, it might be a tapered planchet issue?
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