Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

1997-P Washington Quarter, Broadstrike + Mad?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 15 / Views: 2,988Next Topic  
Pillar of the Community
Adam_E's Avatar
United States
4846 Posts
 Posted 11/22/2020  10:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey guys, this quarter has been a part of my collection for a little while and after looking at it again I've found myself confused as to what it actually is.

My first impression was a misaligned hammer die, because the reverse was centered, but it's missing reeding, so it must be an out of collar strike, do you think it may be a combination of the two errors?

Apologies in advance for the over-exposed pictures, hopefully you can get the gist of what this coin looks like, if not please let me know and I will make a second attempt at my poor photography.

1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?

1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
Edited by Adam_E
11/22/2020 11:15 pm
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 11/22/2020  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Edited. See images below with the correct descriptions.
Edited by coop
11/23/2020 12:11 am
Pillar of the Community
Adam_E's Avatar
United States
4846 Posts
 Posted 11/22/2020  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coop, do you have any idea why there might be no reeding on it? I thought there may be a collar deployment issue during the strike as well
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 11/22/2020  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
Fixed it.
Edited by coop
11/23/2020 12:10 am
Pillar of the Community
Adam_E's Avatar
United States
4846 Posts
 Posted 11/22/2020  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, sounds good! If you'd like me to take some less exposed pictures I can.

Good catch, had this mixed up with a different coin I had. Fixed it!
Pillar of the Community
United States
2737 Posts
 Posted 11/22/2020  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a slightly uncentered broadstrike that features a misaligned obverse die. However, the obverse face appears to show a collar scar. Which means this is a rare misalignment of the anvil die and collar. This is nearly as large as such errors get.

As it so happens, I plan to revisit this error type for my next Coin World column and I'd like permission to use your photos.
Error coin writer and researcher.
Edited by mikediamond
11/22/2020 11:23 pm
Pillar of the Community
Adam_E's Avatar
United States
4846 Posts
 Posted 11/22/2020  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely Mr. Diamond! Again, if you desire more quality photos I can certainly try, or alternatively I can send it to you if you would like.

If you don't mind, would you be able to send me the column when it runs?

Very interesting error description, thank you! I imagine this isn't a particularly desirable despite rarity?

Edited by Adam_E
11/22/2020 11:58 pm
Pillar of the Community
United States
2737 Posts
 Posted 11/23/2020  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a pretty obscure error type, and as a result, there doesn't seem to be much demand for it. Another interesting thing about your coin is that this marks the earliest year for the inverted die setup at the Philadelphia Mint, as far as I'm aware (Denver started in 1992).

I should also mention that all such errors (misaligned anvil die) must be broadstruck. That's because the collar is out of position as well as the die and therefore cannot confine a properly centered (or even slightly uncentered) planchet.
Error coin writer and researcher.
Edited by mikediamond
11/23/2020 11:51 am
Pillar of the Community
Adam_E's Avatar
United States
4846 Posts
 Posted 11/23/2020  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've taken some nicer(but still not great) photos.


1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
Pillar of the Community
United States
2737 Posts
 Posted 11/23/2020  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These new photos show that the anvil die misalignment isn't as great as I had first thought. When you subtract the amount of offset related to the uncentered broadstrike (which is in the same direction as the misalignment), the misalignment itself probably amounts to 5% or less. Anvil die misalignments can be as great as 10 - 12%.
Error coin writer and researcher.
Pillar of the Community
MOS0239's Avatar
1110 Posts
 Posted 11/23/2020  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MOS0239 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to jump in here Adam_E, hope you don't mind. I thought yours looked very similar to mine. They could be brothers. However, I'm told mine is a Partial Collar Strike.


http://goccf.com/t/386741#3311219
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 11/23/2020  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But his has no reeds on the edge of his coin. Your has partial reeds like what you would see on a partial collar.

Adam: Your getting the lighting better. When it is at a lower angle, it makes the surface glare more. When you get the angle better, the lighting keeps the color of the coin better. (other wise glare happens)
Pillar of the Community
MOS0239's Avatar
1110 Posts
 Posted 11/23/2020  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MOS0239 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
But his has no reeds on the edge of his coin. Your has partial reeds like what you would see on a partial collar.


Roger that! Thanks coop!
Pillar of the Community
United States
2737 Posts
 Posted 11/25/2020  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This Virginia quarter shows the maximum amount of offset associated with a misaligned anvil die. In this case, the obverse die was the anvil die. If any of you come across examples with a greater degree of misalignment, let me know.


1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
Error coin writer and researcher.
Pillar of the Community
MOS0239's Avatar
1110 Posts
 Posted 11/25/2020  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MOS0239 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
let me know.


Will do.
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 11/25/2020  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find Mike.
1997-P-Washington-Quarter,-Broadstrike-+-Mad?
Edited by coop
11/25/2020 5:32 pm
  Previous TopicReplies: 15 / Views: 2,988Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.5 seconds to rattle this change. Forums