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1414 Coin/Medal W/Pic (Id: Likely Evasion Fake US Coin)

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 Posted 12/06/2008  10:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add antkipper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
In a roll of pennies today I found a coin or medal? dated 1414 on front with liberty head? crown does not say liberty looks like it says LTEHTIA 13 stars around head reverse is eagle clutching olive branch and arrows with wings up with shield on chest
but writing is NADIIC OF THTLNOH . DTAHO . IPNTCOHP not in english
does any one have an idea what this is?
I have picture but am unable to upload
thanks for any info on this item

I have uploaded the front of the 1414 coin/medal I hope this will help in identifying it thanks for your help
kirra

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 Posted 12/06/2008  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like it has been altered, what color is it? gold?

It looks alot like a 2 1/2 dollar gold piece.

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 Posted 12/06/2008  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antkipper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks bronze to me it is the size of a penny

Ok I tried again here is the reverse (sideways)
and the front again but different pic.
thanks again
kirra
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 Posted 12/06/2008  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
can you get an accurate weight in 10ths of a gram?

the 2 1/2 dollar gold is 18mm in diameter and the Lincoln Cent is 19mm
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 Posted 12/06/2008  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add docsfishn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whatever it is it's more interesting than anything I've found in a cent roll. I'm interested in seeing what it actually is.

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 Posted 12/06/2008  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You've got us stumped. Maybe we can ID it better with the reverse

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 Posted 12/07/2008  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Clearly it's meant to imitate the US gold coin pictured by bman above. It's equally clear that the manufacturer either had no knowledge of the English language, or deliberately mangled the legend. I would posit two scenarios:

1. It's an "evasion" - a fake coin with a design similar to a real coin, but with clear differences in minor details, such as the date and lettering. It would be intended to fool someone who only took a quick glance at the coin, or was illiterate. If the counterfeiter got caught, his defence would be that he was just making medals and there were sufficient differences between them and the real things; it wasn't his fault that other people were using them as fake coins. Such a coin would have been made in the mid-1800's, when the real things were in circulation.

2. It's a fake coin made outside the US, in a non-English speaking country. Such a coin may be a contemporary counterfeit like number 1, or it may have been made more recently, in China for example; I'm reminded of the Chinese fakes that read "Maxxico" instead of Mexico.
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It's interesting to wonder whether the country of origin did not use the Roman alphabet or our numbering system, where a rough approximation as here may have sufficed. In terms of origin, my exposure to local Chinese culture suggests this did not originate or circulate in China, since "1414" is considered unlucky in that 4 is half of 8. As I'm guessing this doesn't come close to the weight of a gold coin, I wonder if there was some other use--a token perhaps? The fact that it looks worn from circulation makes it fun to consider where it's been
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 Posted 12/07/2008  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AuldFartte to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I've seen gaming tokens that resemble that piece.
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I think it is a token. There isn't any monetary value on the coin.
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Tokens had a purpose and most if not all retain a value substantially higer than similar value coins.
i.e a 5c token could easily realise $5.00 , a halfpenny token I recently bought came in at nearly $30.

I doubt its a token , gaming piece seems likely but why the gobbldy gook legend and 1414 date ? One would think its an ideal place to put the gaming companys own name or legend , why gibberish..if it is gibberish , maybe it actually does mean something.
Whether its abbreviated or another lanquage , seems a lot of trouble to go to just to put a load of whatever on it.
The date for instance , 1414 ..before America was even "discovered" , what could that signify ? I think if the date is figured out the rest will fall into place.
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