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Updated Pics 2009-P DC 25 C Duke Ellington - Potential New Find

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Doubling in many places, too many pics, let me know if needed.

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 Posted 12/07/2020  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice images.

Looks like you might have something, especially considering the coin and year. IMHO, you'll probably have to send this one off for confirmation though.
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Appreciate the feedback (and your Signature!) @Petespocket55. Who is the researcher to send this coin off to, someone with a specialty in Quarters? I found it in a 25.00 US Mint Bag, a lot of coins with incredible features, save one: bag marks!
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Probably wexler, his site is doubleddie.com, and he will have a way to contact him on that site.
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The earlobe and the piano key look somewhat promising, but those two photos are pretty dark and it's a little hard to see. I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary on the lettering or the lips.

I wish you luck if you do send this one to Wexler!
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But you looking too close. 10X is what people collect. Not 60X examples. You might be seeing a high bounce Machine Doubling example? But what you do have is an earlier die state example. Note the fresh devices and flat fields. I would think being a fresher die state might be the real plus for this coin.
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Thanks everyone, the knowledge on this thread is just as exciting as the coin itself. So does an EDS and a premium as to conditional rarity but not for varieties. I understand that one attributer was known for stating the variety was from an EDS, what does that mean as to impacting the presence or absence of a variety? So EDS is good for condition but not varieties?

Also, I shot the devices because that is what caught my eye on the coins also, the devices looked as if they were going into a helix curve like shape on the circles of the Q and R, which too me does have some action on the upper left serif, is that you said @coop was potential Machine Doubling, why is it not obvious Machine Doubling, is it due to EDS?
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Generally earlier die state is better for attributing varieties such as RPMs and Doubled Dies. This is because as the die wears, details can be obscured, making it harder or even impossible to attribute a variety. Die state has nothing to do with condition or the effects of MD.

I personally put aside VEDS coins when I am searching BU rolls as I like to study them. There are often unusual surface characteristics of VEDS coins that disappear very quickly as the die wears, and I find these very interesting. I also believe that Chuck's estimate of 12k VEDS coins is a bit high given how rare they seem to be. I think the unusual surface characteristics I mentioned above wear away much faster than his estimate suggests.

As an example, here is a link to a VEDS LWC that appears to be almost a first strike coin. You can see for yourself the interesting surface this coin has, and perhaps why I am so interested in them.

https://easyzoom.com/image/124030/a...?mode=manage

Specifically, see the sharply-defined and shallow die scratches that extend across the flat surface of the field, disappearing at the edges of the devices. These scratches begin to wear very quickly, especially in the areas of high metal flow near the device edges. In this case these fine scratches look the same right up next to the device edges, so this die has seen little to no wear.
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