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United Kingdom Ecu Tokens 1992

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I just got this awesome set of Ecu tokens from 1992. They don't look like actual coins to me since the sovereign is not on them. Anyone have any information about these tokens?
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The story behind these is murky, but from what I understand, they were privately produced by the same people who produce the 'pattern' Euro sets for non-Euro EU countries each year (Poland, etc.) - I cant remember the trading name at the moment, but I believe that they are based in Germany? All of this is done with some buy-in or knowledge of the purported issuing authorities, ie: they pay royalties and avoid anything that might get them in trouble by too closely approximating circulating coinage. Its been a while since I looked into it, so this is all from memory, but that is the gist. By the by, there is a silver proof set of this issue (yours is the base metal UNC set).
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Thanks for the info! I noticed it was base metal since the gilt is a bit worn on one of the pieces. Thanks for letting me know about the silver version-I'm going to look for this one! They have nice designs!
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The technical term for such pieces is "unofficial patterns" or "private patterns". They have no government authority, permission or sanction. In some jurisdictions (such as Canada), they would be considered "counterfeits" and thus illegal to buy and sell. In Britain, so long as the coin's design does not resemble too closely any currently-existing British coin design, they are legal.

Unofficial patterns were produced for various reasons. Some were produced as part of a serious lobbying effort, to try to persuade the government to issue actual coins of the same or similar type. The famous "Petition crown" produced by Thomas Simon in 1663, and the bimetallic "pattern pennies" of Thomas Moore in the 1840s, are two historic examples in the British series.

Other unofficial patterns are made simply for sale to collectors. The Edward VIII "pattern crowns" that have proliferated since the 1950s, numerous "essais" from the French Mint, and these "pattern ecus" issued in the name of various EU member-states prior to the actual introduction of the euro, are all typical examples of this latter category.
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@Sap, a good run-down, but in this case, the company producing them (International Currency Bureau) does in fact make the purported authority aware, which is why today they have running licence to produce unofficial Euro pattern sets for some countries. They operate in the same way as a new issue service for stamps, in this case, getting the private Tower Mint to strike the pieces, and paying a licencing fee to the RM. The days when Joseph Moore could issue bi-metallic Model Pennies without repercussion (and even he got dragged to court a couple of times) seem to be largely at an end with regards to countries with recognized, functioning central governments.
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