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Newbie Questions On PCGS And NGC Grading Fees, Etc

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Hello. I've been a more serious collector for several years, but have never submitted to a TPG. I enjoy picking up a good deal on a raw coin from time to time with a sense for where it would likely grade with a TPG. I initially thought I'd wait to submit if and when I decided to sell, but I'm starting to consider submitting for the fun of it (fun in seeing if my own best guess is consistent with the TPGs).

So I have a few questions that I thought you seasoned submitters might be able to quickly answer (much quicker than me asking the TPGs). So thanks for your help!

I'd like to go with PCGS as my impression is their coins have better resale than NGC and I feel like I see more CAC'd coins from PCGS than NGC, but I know both firms are very similar in their grading abilities and reputations, and the cost of grading is certainly a primary consideration.

First off, I find it very odd that PCGS/NGC want more money to grade higher value coins. I totally get the fact that a declared value is necessary for insuring the coins during shipment to them, while in their possession, and when shipping back to me. But I see no logical reason why they need more money to grade a $3,000 coin vs. a $300 coin. There is nothing about the coin itself that makes it more challenging to grade, etc. Is there a good reason for the higher fee for higher value coins? I know this just comes down to around $13/coin, which is the difference between "economy" tier and "regular" (PCGS) or "standard" (NGC) tier, but these extra fees can add up!

PCGS wants $149 or $249 just for a seat at the table, and gives 4 grading vouchers and 8 vouchers, respectively at these two membership levels, "gold" and "platinum", respectively. The base level ("silver") of $69 provides no coupon/discount towards grading. So I'd get $88 in grading value (4 vouchers) or $176 in grading value (8 vouchers) at the $300 max value tier ("economy"), and my other $61(i.e., $149-$88) and $73(i.e., $249-$176), respectively, would just go to PCGS and I get nothing in return. If my coins fall in the "regular" max value tier (>$300 and up to $2,500), I'm paying $35/coin, so either very close or exceeding the total cost of membership with the 4 or 8 vouchers ($140 or $280 value from the vouchers at the "regular" $35/coin tier).

So it seems PCGS is a bit elitist in that if your coins' value are $300 or less, then they want you to pay them quite a lot of money to make it worth their while to grade your coins. If your coins are valued between $300 and $2,500, then you don't pay them much extra (beyond the $35/coin, which is relatively a lot for one coin considering they can certainly do it for $22 but want more $ for higher value coins; see first bullet above)...and at the "platinum" level, they actually give you a small discount on that $35/coin grading fee (i.e., $31 discount for 8 coins; $280($35/coin x 8 vouchers) minus $249 membership fee.

NGC seems much more straight forward! At the "premium" membership level they charge $149 per year, but give you a credit of $150! I like the idea of a straight credit, rather than grading "vouchers", as it seems you can use the credit for other things like the $8/coin "NGC Photo Vision" or the $5/coin Scratch-Resistant Holder, is that correct?

Regarding the imaging, this seems like a no-brainer for me; a few bucks extra for really nice photos. Unfortunately, GreatCollections doesn't seem to even use the great imaging that some of the coins already have via the TPG (and I think GreatCollections could certainly do better with their in-house imaging). But for the registry set or for sharing one's collection with other collectors, these images are great. PCGS charges $5/coin for "TrueView image", which is included with their "Gold shield". NGC charges $8/coin for "Photo Vision", which seems analogous to the PCGS "TrueView". NGC's $5/coin "internet imaging" seems very sub-par! Also, I noticed that when one uses the NGC verification tool (app or website), the "Photo Vision" imagery does not come up (when it exists), whereas PCGS's "TrueView" imagery certainly does come up when using their verification tool.


Please let me know your thoughts here, if I've misstated anything, etc. I'd like to understand some of these nuances better before pulling the trigger on a set of submissions. Thanks!




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I'd like to go with PCGS as my impression is their coins have better resale than NGC


Especially so with top pop or high grades, the exceptions generally being Washington quarters and FBL Franklin halves.


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Is there a good reason for the higher fee for higher value coins?


Because of the PCGS/NGC Guarantee because with high dollar coins on the off chance it turns out to be fake, or it downgrades upon resubmission in the original holder they have to pay out larger sums of money they charge more to "insure" it on their end.

As for price of membership, if you have an ANA membership you already have an active membership with NGC.


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I like the idea of a straight credit, rather than grading "vouchers", as it seems you can use the credit for other things like the $8/coin "NGC Photo Vision" or the $5/coin Scratch-Resistant Holder, is that correct?


Yep! I will say though on record, PCGS TrueView is vastly superior and their holders come scratch resistant. Just saying.


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Unfortunately, GreatCollections doesn't seem to even use the great imaging that some of the coins already have via the TPG (and I think GreatCollections could certainly do better with their in-house imaging). But for the registry set or for sharing one's collection with other collectors, these images are great. PCGS charges $5/coin for "TrueView image", which is included with their "Gold shield". NGC charges $8/coin for "Photo Vision", which seems analogous to the PCGS "TrueView". NGC's $5/coin "internet imaging" seems very sub-par!


The bit about GC is unfortunate. Though the Gold Shield tier is worth it. Generally I don't even check if TrueViews are avaliable unless I see the gold shield.
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Thanks for your thoughts here GrapeCollects.

Do other CCF members have anything to add? Thanks.

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