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A Good Example Of NCS Helping An Otherwise Ugly Coin

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I know a lot of people aren't fans of them and I'm not head over heals for them, I thought this was a good example of what they have the potential to do. This popped up in my feed tonight, which, thankfully is finally back to normal.

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Have you personally had NCS or PCGS Restoration evaluate and process a coin? I saw this coin for sale and was thinking if I bought it I'd likely want to send it in to one of those services. Based on this video, it seems they could likely improve it's look, but would they essentially just "dip" the coin?

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My GUESS is the company would dip it to "restore" luster. Although they accept "properly" dipped coins and will grade them, a dipped coin beside a truly MS-mint luster coin is discernible. Try it. They both are beautiful, but the dipped one has a less "silver" colored hue to it and is more "white."

They also would likely remove the dark spots. A technique for this is using an acetone rinse first, then xylene if the acetone did not remove it. If this does not work and its a caked on substance, it likely can be removed with a device not hard enough to scratch the silver. Some people here use toothpicks, rose bush thorns, or porcupine quills ( ebay - cheap).

Some also use diluted MS70 or diluted E-Z-EST on a Q-tip to try to only affect the stained areas. Again - patience, and caution thinking about not-over applying chemical to quickly is needed.

If you PRACTICE on melt value silver, you will find its not all that dificcult.
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Having experimented with various coin cleaning processes for 40 years starting with Freon TF (Original Care - EAC Wonder Cleaner) and being involved with a substitute for this banned chemical at my last company (i.e., utlized since it was a military parts cleaning operation) I can add some assistance ... possibly? Its impressive there conservation on this coin. I have not worked with gold that much but in this situation the first question is how far down has the oxide eaten into the coin. With gold normally be alloyed with copper its removal is not to difficult. I would expect an acid formulation would work better than a base material.
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We see sulfuric acid and thiourea in small amounts so E-Z-est will work better on copper oxides and possibly? silver sulfides as is this dime. I agree a light brush with a Q-Tip but we are then left with black patch if the sulfide has eaten into the coin - may not be the case with gold and red spots (CuO) - not sure I do not own much gold that ever needed cleaning.

See my discussion in the Main Forum under ultrasonic cleaning - however I have not been able to remove silver sulfide AT ALL with water and hydrogen peroxide in a Magnasonic cleaner but its been successful on deep green verdigris - but again - spots of the damage are seen in particular on MS coppers - of course. Still green verdigris is less desirable visually than a blackspot in particular within copper coins AU Brown and below.
I do use my JPL coin care Freon-TF derivative product on copper then go from there ... cleaning copper is COMPLEX.

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One more comment it seems thiourea is used at times to remove silver sulfides off of pH electrodes or that dark staining we get if you ever worked in a lab doing pH tests. It seems this water downed consumer product E-Z-est is a VERY SMART formulation for silver sulfide spot removals - I never would have a need on my collectibles but on dark spot silver coin removal the combination of sulfuric acid and thiourea is quite brilliant. I LIKE IT. JOHN LORENZO NUMISMATIST.

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