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Old Masonic Coin Token Old Penny Size (Id: Likely Late 19th Century)

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 Posted 12/10/2008  10:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Figman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Reads Colorado Springs Chapter N06R R.A.M.
H.T.W.S.S.T.K.S.

Opinions on age?

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 Posted 12/10/2008  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse on this coin is from the Braided hair design. That would put this somewhere between 1840 and 1857.
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 Posted 12/10/2008  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, that was made after large cents were removed from circulation- Colorado Springs was not founded until 1871. From the info I found, the earliest possible date that this could have been made is 1877.

Colorado Springs Chapter No 6 Royal Arch Masons was organized under Dispensation granted May 15 1877 with Companion Andrew Sagendorf as EHP and 17 Members today the chapter contains 175 members.
http://www.coloradocollege.edu/libr...tion135.html

I have no idea what the long abbreviation is, probably some secret Masonic gibberish- they sure do like their acronyms Hopefully this will give you a bit more info to go on and at least a starting point for gathering more info.

As an aside, I have an interest in all things related to Colorado Springs- my dad grew up there, I have visited many times, and I consider it to be my "home away from home"
Another aside, the link I provided is from Colorado College which happens to be the site of the ANA Summer Seminars

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 Posted 12/10/2008  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Figman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow , thanks

My wife who graduated from CC and family are generations from Colorado .I inherited this and many other coins from her grandfather who wasn't even a Mason. With 17 members back then, this coin could be fairly unique. Maybe I will email the masons and CC to receive approx age.
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Ive seen similar ones in Scotland,known as a masonic penny its used to pay a ferryman across a mythical river.The ones ive seen were made from ancient British/Scottish pennys.
I was offered one once but didnt like the story much,its to do with Hades and death and ferrymen..shudder
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Took a while, R.A.M. stands for Royal Arch Masons. A branch of masonry. H.T.W.S.S.T.K.S., Hiram Tyrain, Widows Son Sent To King Soloman. Degree or level of Freemasonary. From what I gathered 3rd Degree.
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 Posted 12/11/2008  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that's what she is, and what the letters mean. It is used in some of our secret ceremonies.

Here is one of mine:

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 Posted 12/11/2008  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Figman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again, you people are great.

Found this:

Token gestures
The basic unit in Freemasonry is the lodge, often referred to as the chapter.
Participation in Freemasonry is indicated by the issuance to members of what is referenced as a Masonic chapter "penny" or "mark" (or mark penny, as the pieces are often called by specialists).
These pieces are considered by collectors to be tokens and are collectible, since at least once side of each chapter penny is unique despite the use, in some instances, of stock dies. Not all lodges have issued chapter pennies, instead preferring to use a token substitute of some sort.
Chapter pennies can often be found among the offerings of token and medal dealers at coin shows, in their fixed-price lists, over online dealer and auction sites, and through the classified advertisements in Coin World.
E.A. King notes in the 1926 inaugural edition of his reference Masonic Chapter Pennies that the chapter penny represents "a sacred token of the rites of friendship and brotherly love."
King published a second, more comprehensive edition of the book in 1930. Quarterman Publications in Massachusetts published reprints of Masonic Chapter Pennies in 1972 and 1982.
King writes that today's scarcity of Masonic pennies is primarily attributed to members highly valuing them and refusing to part with them during their lifetime.
King based his cataloging primarily on the collection of one Mason, Albert Hanauer, which was donated to the Museum of the House of the Temple, Washington, D.C., in 1925, more than two decades after Hanauer began the collection.
The museum purchased the collections of nine other collectors of Masonic chapter pennies to add to the museum's holdings. Chapters whose pennies or tokens were not yet represented were invited in 1925 to submit examples directly to the museum, according to King.
King's book remains the standard reference and has not been updated in the more than 80 years since the listings were compiled. King accounted for thousands of varieties, including variations in metal composition.

Tradition
The tradition of the mark penny appears to have arisen in the United States circa 1880, according to King.
Benno Loewy, a "worthy brother" in the Masonic order whose collection was one of nine acquired by the Washington, D.C., museum from which King compiled his catalog, wrote in a 1905 monograph, Bibliography of Masonic Medals and Badges: "It is only within a very short time that specially designed mark pennies have come into general use in the Royal Arch Chapters in the United States, elsewhere they are practically unknown."
Most Masonic pennies were copper or copper alloy, about the size of a U.S. large cent, which measures between 28 and 29 millimeters in diameter. Some, however, measure at least 36 millimeters in diameter, according to King.
Some tokens actually are large cents that have been counterstamped, which King acknowledges may have been the result of lodges he visited around the country hastily preparing a makeshift token when no others officially existed.
King also describes and illustrates chapter penny tokens in silver, German silver, aluminum, brass, bronze, white metal and nickel.
Not all the tokens are "pennies," either. King notes that designations of "shekel" or "half shekel" became increasingly popular in the 1920s and 1930s with examples known in the same compositions as the chapter pennies.
Many chapters used stock dies, according to King, who noted "the idea of sameness that runs through the series." In many instances, chapter identification is inscribed around one penny at the center on one side, and on the other side, the letters htwsstks arranged in a circle around a keystone.
"These letters are supposed to represent the 'mark' of our Ancient Grand Master," King writes.
King biblically references a mysterious stone, citing Revelation 2:17, "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."
Builder's tools, like those used by stone mason, are often incorporated with the design.
The photographic plates in King's reference show that not all the chapter pennies are of this basic design.
Some exhibit portraits of famous Americans or noted structures, including the U.S. Capitol.
Not all of the chapter pennies are round, either. Some examples are in the shape of a keystone or exhibit scalloped edges. Some chapters even opted to use, instead of struck tokens, British pennies and Canadian large cents.
Commonly, a member's initials, his full name, or other mark was chiseled into one side of each of the tokens, regardless of country of origin.
Most chapters include a town name, but some just included the lodge number, according to King's catalog.
Each state of the Union has a Grand Lodge that is in charge of local lodges, since there is no National Grand Lodge, as in some other countries.


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 Posted 12/11/2008  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sounds lie you're interested. Perhaps you should petition your local lodge and see if you would be eligible for membership if you are over 21 years old and male. Feel free to e-mail me if you've got any questions.

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 Posted 12/11/2008  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wetglaswegian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Styx ...that was the name of the mythical river I believe , it would be intersting to know if the story is the same here in the US?
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 Posted 12/11/2008  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is NO reference/inference to Hades or Styx in becoming a Master Mason. Actually, it's quite the contrary.

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Out of curiosity, it is common for tokens like this to be made? Also, is it common for US coins to be counterstruck with Masonic symbols? I'm just wondering since I got this in my change last spring:



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Yes, every Masonic Lodge has their own token pennies made (they're on-file) and as for your US Cent probably some enthusiastic Mason felt compelled to add a personal Masonic stamp to this coin; probably along with a few other cents as well.

Here is an example of such a business that supplies each lodge with the necessary regalia required for new members and special awards. http://www.lauterer.com/

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Bonedigger , I'm an old fella now and lived my days in Scotland where almost everybodys a mason : ) in fact it originated in the UK I believe , I'm only telling the story as I heard it.
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Chuckle, no worries mate. There are some other branches (Beyond Master Mason) of Masonry which delve into some unusual/alarming subjects... But, just like the Bible - one must realize there is both a Heaven and a Hell, and the choice is yours...

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I believe your correct Bonedigger , another thing the Auld Scots were good at was drinking strong liquers and storytelling,always a bigger better story waiting to be told on a winters night.
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