1966 DDR FS-801 Lincoln Memorial Cent

Nice DDR!

LevelsOfMadness:

Thank you for your valuable input. I agree that the doubling is faint. But as far as die markers not matching I beg to differ. These coins are near mirror images of each other. The scratches coming out of the U and N of united might be a coincidence. I didn't thoroughly verify those. But as for the rest I provided images for, they are dead on.

These coins had some kind of Mule Clash going on similar to the 99-p. You can clearly see the base of the Memorial at least 3-4 times rotating around the reverse. As far as the clashing on the v front, I can't say. Haven't dove into that yet. But the part of the 6 above the first 6 in the date would be hard to fake. And they're clearly visible in theb same spot on my coin and the PCGS example. The clashing on the nose varies slightly between the 2, but I would credit that to different die stages. As far as the obverse goes, all die scratches are a match that would hold forensic accountability in any fingerprint mapping database.

Going back to the reverse, the die horizontal die scratches at the top left and right of the Memorial are a perfect match. The 2 distinctly different memorial clashes on the left side of the Memorial line up just right, and that's not to mention the also matching 3rd clash a ways north of the first two that isn't pictured. Then there are the 2 die cracks between L-N and U-U of E Pluribus Unum are present on all 3 coins. Granted that cracks in those particular places aren't exactly miracles, but in this case, I'm sure most would argue against it being coincidence. As far as the clash marks in bay 8 go, yes they look different, but when I see them in person with my 30x loupe, I can see faintly on my coin, the old clash mark that does match the PCGS example along with the newer (I'm assuming) more pronounced diagonal clash over the top of it. Again, I would credit this to different stages of the die. And aside from those, there are 3 to 6 more clash marks around the border that all have a twin in one or both of the reference examples I provided.

But which die markers were you saying don't match?

CentHunterJ,
I know you just got the new scope,but that was way too many photos. You also need to put a filter on the light source to cut down the glare. I am not see your coin as a DDR either. Lets wait for a pro or two to chime in.
John1

Thanks John. That's exactly what I'm hoping to get. The coin that was auctioned off from Great Collections shows no visible doubling either. Sometimes the camera just can't capture it or the coin or die could just be worn hiding the spread.

And TRUST me. I DO NOT enjoy loading all of these photos from my phone.. This post in entirety took me probably 6 or 7 hours. BUT! I've posted here before. I know how much doubt I will automatically receive. So, I try to provide as much detailed proof as possible.

I have no problem if this isn't 801. But I want to know why other than "It don't look right." or "Because it's too rare, that can't be it, so therefore it ain't". Educate me. I'm here to learn.

Not a die stage. Sometimes the markers match up with the doubled die, but the doubled die isn't there. It's just coincidence, nothing more.

You'd be able to immediately tell if this was the FS-801, as the doubling on it is strong. What you want to look for is split serifs, basically little splits in the devices.

Take one of my posts for example:

http://goccf.com/t/377150

Notice how the last S in STATES has a split in it near the bottom.

But I'm afraid to say that your coin is just another 1966 cent with a few die scratches.

The 1983-D FS-101 cent is very different from what you're talking about. This specific variety is tricky, as some coins with show extreme examples of a doubled ear, while others it will be more minor. Either way, you can still spot the difference between that coin and a normal 1983-D cent. The 1966 FS-501 cent has VERY thick devices, yours are flat and aren't thick in the slightest. Years of searching through coins and varieties train your eyes to identify doubled dies.




What you're seeing is most likely Machine Doubling.

Want to know why some of us "don't have the nerve" as you said to call out coins for being doubled dies? Because THEY AREN'T. You are completely ignoring the minting process as a whole. The minting process, the stages of doubling, etc, determine if a coin is a doubled die, or something else.

We are ALL telling you that this coin IS NOT a doubled die!

Some of the things you pointed out on your coin aren't even related to the die used for the FS-501, and aren't die markers for them.

If you want to waste your money getting this graded, go ahead. But don't say we didn't warn you.

I agree with John1. 3, 4 at the most 5 pics is all that is needed for fair evaluation. Any more is just Overload. I loose track of the question and merely scroll to the end and shake my head at how many pics were posted.