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This coin appears to have been cleaned, which is a shame, but makes for a nice example. One of the problems with VV is the lack of die marker images or text. This is particularly true of 1938-S, where die 1 and 3 are pretty identical and likely the same die. No die markers are shown nor described, other than to note that of the four die stages, the reverse die was changed between stage C and D. That makes this coin stage D as it has the new reverse. Meanwhile, Wexler also has four die stages for this coin, and although he says the reverse changed between stage B and C, he lists a trove of die markers. In particular, both reverses have strong feeder finger marks that easily separate out the stages and clearly identify the die as die 1. On the Wexler scale this is stage C. So why, with every die stage showing really strong markers on the reverse, is none of that mentioned or photographed? Just makes it so much harder to get the die right. So if you want an exercise in looking deeper at a coin that just the doubling or markers, take a look on this coin at the BER of LIBERTY and the 7 of the date. Notice that the tops fade toward the rim due to age and/or polishing. Now look at DDO-003, which has no images of the reverse, and tell me if you don't pretty much see this coin as being die 3 as well. Reading the text, you will find that it lists the reverse as LDS, so my guess is that die 3 is really die one right before the reverse was changed. All this could have been solved and not even a question if VV used die markers. Maybe that's a project for CONECA now that they have taken over the listings. 1937-S Lincoln Wheat cent DDO-001 Stage D     |
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If it were cleaned they did a pretty decent job of covering their tracks. Great cent my friend! It also appears to have slight Feeder Finger Damage on the reverse. I haven't found a lot of that in wheat cents. Edited by Jim0815
12/31/2020 07:16 am
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Nice variety TB. The tops of OD (GOD) & E (WE) seem very distinctive on the 003 variety (the top of the device looks "cutoff" or reduced in height). These devices on 003 look completely different than the same devices for 001 (based on the images), IMHO that would seem to indicate they are different dies. BTW- VV, used to have a page titled "CONECA MASTER LISTINGS" that listed the die markers by die state and stage, with no images (as recently as Nov. 2020). ( http://varietyvista.com/CONECA%20Ma...Listings.htm ) When I go there now and click on a particular year, all I get is: "[404 Error] Not Found The requested URL /Variety Master Listings/lincoln doubled dies 1937-1939.htm was not found on this server." I wonder if that is part of the reorganization/streamlining going on at V V. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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When I go there now and click on a particular year, all I get is: "[404 Error] Not Found
The requested URL /Variety Master Listings/lincoln doubled dies 1937-1939.htm was not found on this server." Here you go  . https://web.archive.org/web/2020080...937-1939.htmEdited by joshuach2002
12/31/2020 4:26 pm
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Fantastic. Thank you.  Do you hang out behind a curtain in the Land of Oz? Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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Wow, that is a neat bit! But looking at it still shows nothing new as to die markers on the 1937-S die 1 or die 3 markers. I can see not finding some obscure die dot, but every stage of this coin has bomber reverse markers and just no mention of any markers at all other than noting when the reverse was changed.
As for the top of GOD, these coins show what appears to be a fairly nice offset bit at the top of those letters. You can see it in many of the images, and if I get a chance I show it on this coin. Pretty sure the lettering is the same for VV 001 and 003 just doesn't show as well on the die 3 coin.
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Clif The tops of those letters can really change a lot with die state. Here is combined pic of my late and early die states 1924-S ddo-001. The change in the shape of the letters can be dramatic.  |
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Here is the WE from an example of the 37-S die #1 that I have.  |
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It is baffling there aren't reverse images of the more prominent reverse markers. Thanks John. (I remember that EDS you found. Exquisite example without the die chips in the R,S, or 4, correct?) I guess I expected Die Deterioration and age to make the devices larger and in the direction of the rim but 003 was the later die state coin and the top of the E looks smaller/thinner than the 001. Maybe 003 had some "crud" in the tops of the OD of the die that interfered with the metal flowing into the devices in that area (if they actually do look different without the shadows). I love the exchange of thoughts and info here. It helps iron out my understanding of the hobby. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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Adding pics of the WE and GOD of the original coin as I didn't show them close up in original post.   |
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