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1930-P LWC Has PMD Or Wood Grained Lam

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--Please comment on whether the absence of the lines on the back is indicative of not wood grain, also, it looks like the striped gold color is the actual coin color and the rest is grained?

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It's most likely a woody, AKA Improper Alloy Mix.

The goldish color is a key component of that, and not all woodies have the grains on both the obverse and the reverse, however your coin does possess it. You can see evidence of it being an improper alloy mix on the reverse, especially near the bottom of the wheat stalks.

I believe this was a debated topic awhile ago, but my vote is that it's a woody. Doesn't carry much premium, but it's still worth keeping.
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They are there. Just lighter. No lamination though. Just woodgrain. I keep the more extreme looking ones. They just look cool to me
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Looks like a legit woody. Some like 'em, some don't.
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I take issue with the belief that "woodies" not need to be seen on both sides on the cent. While it could happen, the odds of a true "only one side woodie" have to be astronomical! An improper alloy mixture in metal is very similar actual wood, where the "grain" flows, usually in one direction. if a coin's "grain" can be seen on one side and you cut the coin in half, the improper alloy is mixed through the copper and would be seen running through metal and especially considering the thinness of a cent, it would only make sense the improper alloy "grain" would appear on the other side.

A drop of ink on water would float on the surface, and if then "stirred" the colour striations of ink would mix with the water and not simply remain of the surface. I think improper mixture of metals would act similarly with a cent. A "true" woodie would show the grain on both sides. If a similar effect is seen only on one side, I contest it is not a "true woodie" but rather feeder damage or a lamination defeat or some other event. The odds of taking a thin sheet of plywood and seeing wood grain only on one side while not impossible, the odds would be extremely high.

I am personally not a metallurgist, I barely made it through chemistry at University, but logic tells me that if you see wood grain flow through a piece of wood, a similar effect would/should flow through a very thin piece of improperly mixed alloy in metal. Plus, I personally have seen hundreds and hundreds of true woodies and have seen the improper alloy mixture noticeable on both sides of coins, US and Canadian cents. Am I 100% right on this? Probably not, but this is what I believe to be true.

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I take issue with the belief that "woodies" not need to be seen on both sides on the cent. While it could happen, the odds of a true "only one side woodie" have to be astronomical! An improper alloy mixture in metal is very similar actual wood, where the "grain" flows, usually in one direction. if a coin's "grain" can be seen on one side and you cut the coin in half, the improper alloy is mixed through the copper and would be seen running through metal and especially considering the thinness of a cent, it would only make sense the improper alloy "grain" would appear on the other side.

WOW! Your comments were very well said - I looked for an "Applause" icon but couldn't find one, this will have to do
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Indeed, a woody. I have many tubes of Wheat cent woodys. Most have the classic woody grain on both sides in equal or near-equal intensity. I do have a good number where the grain is pronounced on one side and very, very subtle on the other--a few at the point of almost imperceptible. Hats off to those suppliers of copper planchet stock who didn't quite get the alloy mixed properly.
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