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1911 D/D Lincoln Wheat Cent - RPM Ideas On Which One?

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Seems every 1911 D/D I find is low grade and kinda smooshy around the mint mark. This one clearly has a D/D either south or southwest, but the upper serif is a bit destroyed to see much there. Closest, I think to either RPM-001, or more likely WRPM-006 (but it does not have the obvious die marker for that one).

Comments encouraged as would be nice to nail this down somehow.

1911-D/D Lincoln Wheat cent RPM south or southwest


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Good luck with that one.

With the nub on the bottom and the forward lean my first thought was RPM-5 [AKA 1OM-1] but, on second look, they're obviously too high - Though close to RPM-3 on an overlay.

http://www.varietyvista.com/02a%20L...1DRPM005.htm
http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/dies...ie_state=mds

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I'm gonna say RPM-002 or RPM-004. I could be completely wrong though. The nub looks good for 002 IMO. This is quite a tough one to decipher.
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WRPM-006 looks pretty good to me. The portion on the bottom looks good and MM positioning looks close but hard to tell with the circulated examples. Didn't see anything on coppercoins. It's a tough one no doubt. My vote goes to WRPM-006.

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Well that narrows it down to 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6.

I'm going to say with smooshy confidence that it's not 001.

I'm not sure if this marked up image I did of yours will help.
(Sure would have been nice if an image of the MM in relation to the date had been included on DD.)
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I got to playing around with "Paint" program and checked the angle of the intersecting lines in your image against one I did for WRPM-006 and 1MM-001. The angle on 001 isn't perfect but is closer to this image.

(I'm not sure if I can post the marked up image or not using DoubledDies or coppercoins images. I'm guessing I can with proper credit, since Coop does. If someone can let me know for sure if it's ok I'll post the DD and CC images with comparable lines if needed)

Edit: I just realized the Die Deterioration or circulation on the MM must be affecting the lines I added to your image.


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I think its RPM-003. The middle of the vertical bar on the inside of the MM doesn't exactly look like RPM-003, but I think it is just a minor hit and wear that made it like that. If you look at the bottom of the inside of the vertical bar it matches with RPM-003. The serifs of the mintmark are thicker than normal which is what you would expect with a worn RPM-003. Also, the bottom left of the E in ONE and the amount of die wear on UNUM matches with Coppercoin's EDS example
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Something else I just noticed is that the left side of the MM is curved. That's something I would expect to see on RPM-003
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Thanks everyone for the help! It's a bugger and unsure I will ever be sure, but all this context leads me to believe it must be 1, 4 or WRPM-006. I have a nice RPM-004 in hand and the southeast secondary mm just doesn't look like this one. Looking at how the secondary mm travels from roughly the midpoint of the D to the west, I see roughly the same thing on RPM-001 as on WRPM-006 so pretty sure I can't separate them without seeing the details near the upper serif. So from mm placement (thanks!) and actual secondary visible I think the best I can do is call it one of those two and not fully attribute it.

Also, I am not entirely sure that WRPM-006 isn't just RPM-001 in a later die stage. Pretty darn similar and seemingly in the same place.
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