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 Posted 01/31/2021  01:30 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add websearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm looking for information behind the 1935 Hudson commemorative coin (rather than details on the coin itself) for an author whose FDR/New Deal/etc. work has led in that direction.

We've got the basic story, but are looking for references, documents, and/or items that back up the points that are usually discussed in terms of "rumors of" or "according to local legend."

Things that show the underlying politics that went into getting the bill passed, the mismanagement in its distribution by the mayor and/or dealers (for example, the bank bag addressed to Carcaba, which appeared here in a 2016 post) or the like would be great. [*The author would LOVE to get an image of the Hudson coin bill signed by Roosevelt if that's even available out there.]

I have looked at many of the older (and therefore not copyright protected) books available online, but advice on recent ones would be appreciated, especially if they are not just repeating earlier stories.

Thanks,
John
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 Posted 01/31/2021  06:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF.

Our master historian of commemorative coins surely has the information you are seeking, but all of that material is copyright protected.

What is your end objective - acquisition of personal knowledge or research prior to publication?
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While I find it personally interesting, this information is for eventual publication as part of a larger research project.

Note that I expect anything referred to in publication would be appropriately credited. My copyright comment was just to indicate the age of what I have been able to freely access online.

The author has stated he is willing to purchase any books that will be useful, but I would rather not recommend getting things without having at least some idea if there is anything helpful in them first. (He does not need anything that only talks about descriptions, prices, etc. of the coin itself. Additionally, from what I have seen, there is a lot of repetition in the basic, and usually unsupported, stories given.)
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 Posted 01/31/2021  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have you seen this post by commems, our resident master historian to whom nickelsearcher refers?
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Just curious, FDR signed many commemorative coin bills - Is the specific interest in the Hudson related to his close ties with the Hudson Valley of NY?

It's likely you are already aware of it, but, just in case, authorization for the Hudson half dollar was combined with the half dollar for the Providence, Rhode Island coin - it did not have its own Act. I don't believe it took heavy "politics" to get the coin bill passed. It came at a time when many new commemorative coin bills were being introduced in the US Congress and Congress was generally receptive. The Hudson-only coin bill was introduced by Philip Goodwin of NY, a second-term Representative, and it did not face much opposition as it moved through the process in Congress. It's possible that some off-the-record agreements were reached to get Goodwin to agree to the addition of the Rhode Island coin (introduced by Senator Metcalf) to his bill which was further along in the process, but such discussions are generally not documented. Maybe there is something about the coin in Goodwin's papers - I've never checked.

Regarding an image of FDR signing the bill, have you checked with the National Archives?

When I am looking for contemporary background information on coins, I generally search old newspapers (via subscription-based services) vs. existing reference books. Primary sources are the key!

Good luck with the research quest!


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Yes, I have seen the post mentioned by CelticKnot (and probably any other related posts that are on this site). It, however, focuses mainly on 1) history of Hudson (the town) and 2) description of the coin than what I am looking for in 'history of the coin.' [The ad it shows fits what I am after, to some degree, except I already found it in the source it lists.]
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commems - The interest here is with the tie to Hudson, NY, though I am aware of the Providence connection.

In terms of its "politics," I was referring less to it process in getting passed (though I have not seen anything in terms of "Goodwin's papers" so any references/sources could help).

Instead I was thinking of the coin bill's introduction, especially in FDR's involvement. For example: "Some believe the local legend that the Hudson NY Sesquicentennial half dollar was minted on the direct order of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. They believe the gesture was in appreciation to the Hudson City Democratic Committee for being the first to endorse him for State Senator and Governor." http://atlcoin.com/Hudson-NY-Sesqui...e-Coin.html)
Anything supporting or giving a source for this "legend" would be great.

I've looked at the National Archives, but have not had any luck (and assistance there is limited at best with the pandemic situation).

I've also been going through old newspapers and reference books, I was just hoping for either suggestions of particular useful/obscure references or people with actual things (like the money bag) that would have otherwise fallen through the cracks.

Thanks
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