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Help ID Two Greeks Please

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Hello, I'm not very familiar with coinage outside of Roman Imperial, but I am assuming these are Greek.

Coin 1: 4.2g / 15mm: I believe the obverse to be Athena and Horse (obviously) on reverse. The only thing I found with this combo is old Roman Republican (Lira).

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Coin 2: 1.8g 12mm: No Clue?
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Thanks for the help everyone
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 Posted 01/31/2021  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, probably a Republic litra for the first.
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The obverse of #2 kinda-sorta resembles the Herakles renditions on some issues from Selge, Pisidia. But that's a shot in the dark, without much poking around - and it's likely wrong. But the size works. The reverse on yours, TC, is pretty far gone and doesn't help with the possibility of Selge - those have a winged thunderbolt and bow that terminates in a stag head. No time to work on it, sadly - sorry. But, for comparison:





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You know Bob, right after you posted the first one I did an acsearch of "12 mm" ae Herakles (and also Zeus later) and 11 mm and 13 and 14. And this was all I really kept hitting but that reverse I contrasted and made black and white and rotated so many times in 20 degree increments but I could not get that thunderbolt and bow to come out so I gave up.
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could not get that thunderbolt and bow


Well, it was a shot in the dark, without time for a serious looking. I can sort of make out some winding, sinuous lines on the rev. Maybe Asklepios/Asclepius obv. and serpent reverse? Just a thought - again, probably wrong. Sorry no time to join in the hunt today.
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Bob;

Well that reverse shows the type of coin, like Macedonian, with that lip from the punch of the strike. I have been steering away from coins that don't have that.
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Thanks guys, for the help. Well the Republican is definitely now the oldest ancient in my collection. Bob, I think you're on to something there for the coin 2. I'll research a bit more and see what I come up with. I was thinking Poseidon? However, the comparison photos you posted are convincing. Louisville thanks for chiming in - appreciated. I'm taking better pics of the reverse - standby. I think I'm seeing a thunderbolt now.
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Poseidon?


Possible. But then, so is Asklepios, a bearded Dionysos, an off-center Janus on a very tight flan, and a number of others. Years ago, I compiled a list of bearded obverses - Sipylos, Demos, Jupiter, Seuthes (of Thrace), Poseidon, etc. It was a long list. Too bad your reverse isn't clearer. And, of course, with such an murky reverse, there could be an overstrike that's complicating the reading, and you wouldn't even know it. Frustrating, I know.
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