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1787 Fugio Cent - Lowball Pickup

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I snagged this copper at a show. The price was so low that I had to purchase it. It has heavy wear, but the date and reverse chain are quite evident. There's some heavy lamination as is often seen on these early coppers. I'm unable to peg the variety. Perhaps, one of our eagle-eyed CCF members can?

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Wow - that is indeed beat up and honestly worn - look forward to any info our experts can add.
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I'm thinking it is 3-D.
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It has its own charm, congrats!
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@ Conder: I was hoping you'd chime in .... Maybe a 3-D, huh? What clue looks to be present? My pics aren't the greatest. Perhaps, I can grab a better close-up or two.


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that is indeed beat up


@ nickelsearcher: There is serious lamination and heavy wear, but I'm not seeing any scratches, dents, dings or other obvious signs of environmental damage. My guess is that you're attributing the lamination to it being "beat up" as you wrote? I've previously owned two Fugios with similar lamination. Like those, this coin isn't bent or deformed.

I see so few colonials at shows anymore, that it's a treat when I can find even one; and, bargain-priced to boot!
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First clue the first S in BUSINESS is below the right upright of N and the serif is below the upright of the D. There are only four obverses like that 3, 4, 23, and 25. On 23 the I in BUSINESS is much higher than the N, that doesn't match yours. On 25 the I is even with the N, on yours it is lower than the N, 25 is out. On 4 the Y is over the space between the N and I, on yours it is over the upright of the N, 4 is out. That leaves 3. On 3 the I in MIND is high, the I in Business is low, and the Y is over the upright if the N. This matches on your coin, so obv 3. Obv 3 is only paired with Rev D so 3-D.
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@ Conder .... Especially so, given my modest pics of a well-worn coin, you've made a most impressive attribution!
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That's some impressive sleuthing by @Condor101. I was going to say it is round and most likely made of some sort of metal.
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What exactly do you mean by "heavy lamination" on older copper coins?
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@ Newguy22 .... The copper mix used to make early coin planchets was often inferior, impure, resulting in metal flaking and peeling from the surface. Many of these inferior planchets were then struck as coins, atop the defective planchets. The lamination "damage" was not due to circulation. It's inherent in the metal production, prior to minting.

My use of "heavy" could otherwise be stated as more pronounced, covering a wider surface area, than most I've seen.

Personally, I've owned many colonial coins that evidenced different degrees of lamination, including New Jersey, Connecticut, Vermont and Fugio cents. The copper with the heaviest lamination that I ever owned was a fine, 1796 large cent. The obverse was beautiful, bot the reverse was a third or more lacking.
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Nice pickup! I'm a sucker for these too the price is right.
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I'm a sucker for these too the price is right.


Same here. A collector can buy a historic Fugio cent in VG-Fine for the price of many common, comparably graded "key" coins. For the price I paid for this Fugio, I could've bought a common date Morgan dollar in XF-AU, instead .... a no brainer for me. I'll take historic over pretty, 99% of the time.
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Fugio's are not my expertice as it pertains to Colonial's/Post Colonial's.
Looks like you scored a nice deal though ;-)
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@ vermontensium .... This Fugio is yet another example of my finding a bargain at a coin show. Over 80% of the good stuff I find comes from dealers.
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