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Is This One-Year Type Coin From Thailand Genuine ?

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 Posted 02/15/2021  09:48 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ibelgica to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Everything is in the title.
The coin is very rare, but I don't find much information about counterfeit coins.
I have compared my coin to graded ones (from Stack's Bowers and Heritage), and everything looks ok to me... but maybe you will see if there is anything wrong.
Coin weight 14.95, reeded edge, not magnetic (probably old cleaning)
I wanted your advice before to submit it to a TPG
Thank you all
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 Posted 02/15/2021  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin has that mysterious dark gray toning around the devices and lettering that seems to show up on a lot of counterfeit coins with Chinese origins.

Based on just that factor the coin is most likely counterfeit in my eyes.

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 Posted 02/15/2021  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Impossible to tell from the fuzzy pics whether that's an old scrub job... or a textbook Chinese fake with the typical artificially weathered/toned look.

Also, for our convenience, what is the exact date (Western and/or Thai), type, catalog number (preferably Krause)? Would help with any detective work to see if there is a known fake out there (which is kind of "cheating" with Counterfeit Detection... but can still help).
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 Posted 02/15/2021  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Knowing where you acquired the coin from will help, and how much you paid?
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It is from an old friend of mine, bought at a local coins fair a decade ago.
Not much more details about the provenance
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I cropped and properly oriented your pics to make them easier to view


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The dark gray toning still makes me think this coin is most likely a counterfeit.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ibelgica to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could test the coin with a spectrometer, and got 97% silver, 2.2%copper
Coin should be 90% silver, but would 97% means it's silver plated ? what do you all think ?
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Quote:
Also, for our convenience, what is the exact date (Western and/or Thai), type, catalog number

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces24455.html

In the Numista listing, this can be found:
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Massively counterfeited for decades, from incorrect details, e.g. non-crowned elephant, to almost excellence silver counterfeit. It is recommended to buy from reliable shops/auction to get a genuine one.

If you have a relationship with either Jean Elsen, or CDMA (which look about equally distant from your location), maybe they could advise you, instead of spedning the money on submitting to a TPG?

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 Posted 02/20/2021  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ibelgica, this is a 1908 baht, very rare and goes for $$$$. Send it in to NGC or PCGS, you must. They will let you know if its real or not. On thai facebook, there are people posting fakes ones all the time. You must get it slabbed.
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 Posted 02/21/2021  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add norantyki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks wrong to me - and the spec reading might point to silver plating.

@Westernsky, don't even insinuate that China is a major purveyor of counterfeits, or else gxseries from this forum will slanderously accuse you of being a racist as he did me... without any repercussion.
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